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Discussion in 'Awesome Recruiting' started by candymanfromgc, Jun 3, 2023.

  1. paidinfull

    paidinfull GC Hall of Fame

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    The “bidders” are third party. UF coaches and admin aren’t bidding on players.
     
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  2. Wanne15

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    Same results. And schools are without a doubt, encouraging what is going on
     
  3. Skink

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    It might be incorrect to blame it in being cheap. Maintaining locker room chemistry is a big factor that is often talked about — yet when decisions are made to keep things in relative balance people immediately accuse our organization of being cheap. Perhaps that’s not it
     
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  4. paidinfull

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    I’m not so sure the results are the same. UF isn’t in control of the money coming in or going out. I’m sure there are some behind the scenes conversations happening, but it’s not the schools money getting spent. They can’t control how much money is available, and they don’t control how it’s spent. They can’t control what’s being asked of the athlete in exchange for the money. OSU’s local car dealership may be giving a kid a Maybach and a million bucks for a single signing day on their lot. Our local dealership may be giving the kid a Ford Ranger and require a weekly engagement. These deals aren’t concession stand money. They’re totally reliant on the fanbase. People want to believe the school is in total control of all this because that takes the monkey off their back, and gives them someone to point their finger at, but that’s not how it works.

    I don’t think the way it is yields the same results you’d see if UF was able to handle the deals directly from start to finish.
     
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  5. gatorntuscaloosa

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    I personally am sickened by the direction Society in general has gone and by the way that some schools seem to be able to cheat their eyeballs out with impunity and bring home championships. Meanwhile schools like UF hold on to their ‘honor’ and sit home on championship weekends. Don’t want to see us ‘cheating’, but would like to see the other schools jerked back onto a equal field with us and the others. BUT, if it’s not going to happen, then either UF might just as well run up a white flag and in essence surrender the notion of aspirations to compete with the cheaters, OR they have to roll up the sleeves, work up the donations and get in there and imitate the scoundrels to the best (or worst) of their abilities/resource.
     
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  6. paidinfull

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    You don’t really have to cheat to be competitive with NIL. Some teams will still cheat, but I believe you can still be competitive while playing by the rules. Your fanbase has to be fully invested though, and they also have to have the money. The School has been putting effort into helping the NIL entities fundraise. Got to be hard for them too, because they know most of that money would usually go to the UAA for funding facilities and salaries for the athletic dept. Without the money for NIL, they field sub par teams. Without the money for coaches, support staff, and facilities, they fall short in those areas.

    We got rid of the GC, which seemed to be poorly run. UF seems to have played a bigger role in helping to form the collective that is in place now. They’re allowed to publicly work more closely with these NIL entities, so AD staff and “the money” are more likely to be on the same page. They’re still dependent on the fanbase to get the money together and for these third party entities to close the NIL deals though.

    Most of what I see is people finger pointing at the AD and UAA for NIL shortcomings, when the blame falls much more in all of our laps than in theirs. You, as one fan, now have the opportunity to help field the team. If you really want that 5 star quarterback you see Napier eyeballing, you can personally go get that deal done. If you are unwilling/unable to make that happen, that’s on you. Most of us can’t or aren’t willing to do that, but it’s time for people to realize where the blame should be placed. I’m not big on complaining about how other people choose to spend their money. If Condon and Hathcock want to give millions to the cause, I’ll choose to be appreciative of what they’ve given, rather than demand they do more. JMO
     
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  7. Crusher

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    Of course the "rules"...they're pretty clear. However, any coaching staff that is operating without input to those that do those negotiate those deals or contracts, are clearly not doing it "right" ;). I'm sure you don't believe that Nick Saban's or Kirby Smart's fingerprints aren't all over the details of every deal for every recruit that goes to their Universities.
     
  8. Skink

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    We can assume the same holds true for Napier at UF
     
  9. Skink

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    Me too buddy
     
  10. Crusher

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    I agree with the majority of this...but I do still think that there are those practitioners of NIL+ just like there was recruiting + prior to the concept of NIL. But as far as funding goes, you hit the nail on the head, its up to the boosters to get the payola together, not the University...they should just be the moderator.
     
  11. Crusher

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    I certainly hope so.
     
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    I agree on most, but I think TJ Moore is a lean to Clemson currently. I would say 45% chance for Florida here. Hopefully DJ stays in touch and that number increases, but Dabo wants this kid.
     
  13. Crusher

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    Sure, but if the UF coaches aren't providing the necessary (and perhaps technically not within the rules) guidance to the "bidders" its likely to just become chaos.
     
  14. Skink

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    As much as has been said about locker room and players’ character and families, it’s logical to believe that nothing gets closed without CBN approval. It’s also reasonable to consider that he had a big role in scuttling the Rashada deal
     
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  15. paidinfull

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    If thinking that Kirby and Saban are working out the minute details of every athlete’s NIL deals helps you sleep at night, so be it. I think they are much less involved than you believe. Do I think they aren’t involved at all? Nope, but they also don’t just get to cut checks to whoever they want for however much they want. These deals are very dependent on the fanbase putting up the funds and third parities working out the actual deals.
     
  16. paidinfull

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    UF doesn’t have to approve the deals. They just have to be notified within a certain time period that they are in place. If you want to work out a deal, you can do that without talking to CBN. The athlete then has to notify the University after the fact. UF is under no obligation to extend a scholarship offer to someone you went after on your own though.

    I’m sure they work somewhat closely with the collectives, but individual power brokers can also make moves on their own.
     
  17. Crusher

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    Of course they are dependent on outside money, although if it ever came to light that coaching staff's at certain institutions were finding creative ways to funnel University money to certain recruits it would not surprise me in the least. These staff's had runners, handlers and the outside organizations fine-tuned years before NIL existed. I doubt it was too difficult to keep the same pace and add in addt'l "donors" that were too queasy about the "process" prior to the advent of NIL.
     
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  18. paidinfull

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    The whole system is chaos, and likely will be until the schools are handling the majority of the money themselves which may never happen.
     
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  19. Crusher

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    I'm sure they can but if something like this costs a coaching staff a recruit, then there is going to be egg on faces (Rashada leaps to mind).
     
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  20. Skink

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    I don’t think there’s any way Napier or UF will allow some car dealer or rich alum to drop a giant bag and throw the locker room out of balance without their knowledge and approval