So what went wrong? (Non-political)

You first need to prove the existence of a virus. Then you need to prove that a virus hospitalized them because they were fat.

I’ll meet you halfway. Severely obese are likely to have medical conditions.

At the same time, they are likely to fare better than normal weight people with the same conditions. See: article I posted.

 

And you still haven’t told me how you would “treat” obese people, other than to concern troll them.

Reminder: I am arguing as a slender man.

 

Did you read any of the studies. They are have confirmed cases of either Covid or influenza and listed as the reason for death or hospitalization.

Regarding your question about treating, I think it starts with educating on diet. Also I’m sure there is a mental aspect to this for many.

 

Who has the time? In such a hectic, fast-paced world I suggest combining these activities.

 

BMI has absolutely been abused and misused. That said. Being overweight is a huge problem with health!

 

There are people with health problems who are obese as a result, wherein the fat tends to have a protective effect. See: Obesity Paradox

 

Again, there are no viruses.

‘Covid’ is/was a panic-induced PCR-based pseudo-epidemic with massive reclassification of deaths.

Which renders your studies null and void.

And again I refer you to the study I posted which refutes the notion that people eat their way into being fat.

 

Naughty!

 

Can't speak for everybody, but modern medicine has been a huge impact for both longevity and quality of life for a few members of our family. What's the point of living a long life if you can't be physically able enough to enjoy it? While we may have more unhealthy people today, we likely have far more healthy people as well.

How much of our averages are skewed by human decision-making? Think about everything from murder to poor driving behavior to other decisions that may indirectly or directly poorly impact one's own health. It would be interesting to see a modifier of life expectancy when you can factor in any number of influences that *may* not apply to you.

I think the one word for me on this topic is "comfort." Comfort leads people to making choices that are less healthy, and it also leads people to rationalize their comfortable lifestyles. We don't always realize that discipline and hard work are worth it until we give it a shot. One of the paradoxes in life is that we drive for comfort, but comfort reduces our drive.

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There are always exceptions. But I’d be interested to know how modern medicine has improved health and increased longevity for your loved ones.

On the topic, why should we not strive for comfort in, say, the foods we eat ?

And why should we not preserve energy ?

 

People aren’t dying from being fat.

But they are dying from eating disorders.

 

Strive for comfort, but put the work in. Gotta have balance. Why not encourage people to put the work in?

Think of energy spent as an investment. The more energy you spend, the more you'll be able to use down the road. If we do nothing, we may be able to live longer, but then we may have differing ideas on what constitutes "living."

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Why do you assume fat people are lazy ? I’m slender and my tendency is towards laziness.

 

LOL, where did I say that?

When I say "put the work in" - I'm merely referring to balancing the caloric intake equation. Work just means the amount of calories you are burning off.

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Don’t think the neat axiom calories in, calories out is as helpful as advertised. Indeed, I tender chronic dieting as a primary factor in Americans getting heavier.

 

The math is correct, but biology and often times psychology needs to be taken into consideration...not everybody likes math.

Take Ralph, he eats 3 hot dogs and runs one mile...he doesn't gain weight
Take Henry, he eats 3 hot dogs and runs one mile...he gains X.

They both do this for a while, and Henry starts to notice he's getting fatter. "The math doesn't work" he says, because he and Ralph are doing the same thing and he's gaining weight. The problem is, he's not considering all the factors that go into calories in vs. calories out. Maybe Ralph has a higher metabolism from other activities; maybe Henry has a slower metabolism due to some other biological issue. But the simple fact remains is that if Henry eats fewer hot dogs, he can reach a relative point of equilibrium (holding all other variables to be equal); likewise, if Henry runs more than one mile, he can also reach a relative point of equilibrium. Necessarily, these changes have other impacts on the equation, but at the end of the day, if you modify one side of the equation, you necessarily modify the other side.

It's one thing to say "that's easier than it sounds," but it's another thing to say, "yeah, but that won't work."

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In my years as a fitness trainer (read: weight loss consultant) I never met the first candidate whose anxiety about weight did not manifest in efforts to “eat healthy.”

Without exception, all were able to recount multiple attempts to control weight through various dietary modifications.

All such attempts failed, even when professionally and even medically supervised. That is to say they regained lost weight, with a goodly number ending up heavier than when they began.

It was heartbreaking to hear them blame themselves for their body’s virtually irresistible impulses to defend weight.

Persistent weight grain through adulthood is the biological norm and it appears to confer a protective effect.

But persistent dieting does in fact accentuate that weight gain.

 

I don't believe you are suggesting that sticking with the plan led to the weight being gained back. Maybe more of a hard time executing the plan?

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I am not suggesting anything. I am asserting that the body resists efforts to lose more than a few pounds, almost as if it knows its optimal weight range better than we do!

Now, you may indeed be one of those rare individuals who hasn’t gained a pound since college.

And if you are, that would make you a rare individual indeed.

 

Quite the contrary. I got fat and happy, and now I'm working to change that (well, the fat part). I get many distractions along the way that attempt to derail the effort, but at no point in time do I wonder why it's taking so long. It just drives me nuts when people imply that it can't be done or that they are putting in the work just not seeing the results. These perspectives lack proper objectivity. I do believe that there is a bit of weight inertia that has to be overcome, but that's all part of the challenge.

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