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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by jjgator55, May 18, 2022.

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  1. GatorRade

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    This is an interesting way to think about it. These are public schools, and therefore must be ultimately beholden to the public. But I agree with you that individuals shouldn’t be the ones that can change the collection of entire libraries. I really do think it comes down to who is in charge of making the determination of appropriate. My personal preference would be to have a larger audience in that discussion and leave the questionable books on the shelves, where each student/family can choose which books they want.

    Better solution is probably to have school choice, but even there it is likely we would run into similar problems determining what should be essential standards.
     
  2. l_boy

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    Was this discussed?

    Holy Hell: DeSantis’ Pastor Buddy Tweeted WHAT?

    Ted Cruz has a rare moment of moral clarity and calls out he Ugandas policy of executing gays. Then Desantis preacher buddy that did his inauguration invocation calls out Cruz by saying that Leviticus calls for the execution of gays.
     
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  3. Gator715

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    To be fair, I don’t think the process really is “one parent complains and the book must go away.”

    It’s just effectively been that way because the schools don’t understand the scope of the law and they don’t want to take any chances.

    I’m with you that it still presents a problem that should be addressed, but I thought it was worth clarifying exactly how this works.
     
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  4. GatorRade

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    I appreciate this, thank you. I still think we need to recognize that this is an asymmetric decision, where adding a book to a library forces no one to check it out, but removing a book bars everyone from checking it out.

    I know that some parents would prefer a library that doesn’t even give their children an opportunity to be exposed to certain types of literature, and I don’t want to minimize this desire. If it were up to me, I might experiment with a system where parents can set limits on their own child’s check out privileges, giving as much power to individual families as possible.
     
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  5. G8trGr8t

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    And that is the company he chooses to keep. Hopefully the national press picks up on stuff like this but I think MSM is more concerned about keeping desi in the race for ratings off of dt v desi.

    The senior cleric at Grace Baptist in Cape Coral has repeatedly called for homicide charges against any woman who has an abortion for whatever reason. He has compared choosing to terminate a pregnancy to retaining a killer for hire.
    “It’s like saying if I don’t murder someone, but I just contracted a murderer to murder someone, I’m not culpable,” Ascol said on a Christian radio show in 2022.
     
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  6. gator_lawyer

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    That system already exists. These parents aren't satisfied with controlling their own children. They want to control what other people's children read. Hell, quite a few of these people seeking to ban the books aren't even parents of children in public schools there.
     
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  7. jjgator55

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    And some here wonder why I have a problem with organized religion.
     
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  8. ursidman

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    Yeah, good idea. Kids could be categorized by parents as to what they are allowed to read - but even then we have someone, somewhere deciding what is general audience, age appropriate, and advanced reading materials but at least we wouldn't have to remove books preventing every child from reading - just move them up or down a category
     
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  9. swampbabe

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    This is already the case in most schools in Florida, especially at the elementary level.
     
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  10. Gator715

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    I don't think we're there yet, but if this can be effectively implemented, that would be ideal.

    Of course, some books would still be inappropriate for certain ages, but I think the flexibility in allowing borderline books can be broader in that case.
     
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  11. l_boy

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    Good God man, this guy is full blown Christian Taliban. Not a good look for MBR.
     
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  12. l_boy

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    Not a big fan myself, but as long as people keep it to themselves and out of politics it’s not my business. Unfortunately that is often not the case.
     
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  13. G8trGr8t

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    and was the second leading vote getter for leadership of southern baptists

    Ascol, who was a close second in a runoff election for president of the Southern Baptist Convention last year, proceeded to cite scripture:
     
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  14. ajoseph

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    Totally agree. It is just further exacerbating the truly ugly act of using children as pawns in the War on Hate.
     
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  15. orangeblue_coop

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    Mentally ill behavior
     
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  16. G8trGr8t

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    or maybe just too many beers :)
     
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  17. G8trGr8t

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    he is now doubling down on woke again...thankfully it seems he is in a death spiral. sadly he has $80M or so still in the bank to continue this nonsense

    Days after he was criticized for copying Trump's speech, Ron DeSantis rolled up to an Iowa campaign event with a speech uncannily similar to the one Winston Churchill gave during World War II (msn.com)

    Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' channeled former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill at an Iowa campaign even this weekend, invoking Churchill's famous World War II speech to tout his own position on "woke" ideology.

    DeSantis said in his speech on Saturday: "I recognize that the woke mind virus represents a war on the truth, so we will wage a war on the woke. We will fight the woke in education, we will fight the woke in the corporations, we will fight the woke in the halls of Congress."

    The syntax of the sentence was reminiscent of Churchill's iconic 1940 speech, when he spoke to the UK House of Commons to boost British morale after the evacuation of British troops from Dunkirk.

    Churchill said in his speech: "We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."
     
  18. G8trGr8t

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    the new law on transgender care put many hurdles in place to block adult access to trans medical care. it was couched as something related to kids but it is having a big impact on adults too..disgusting behaivor by our legislature and guvnr

    Transgender adults in Florida `blindsided' that new law also limits their access to health care (msn.com)

    The new law that bans gender-affirming care for minors also mandates that adult patients seeking trans health care sign an informed consent form. It also requires a physician to oversee any health care related to transitioning, and for people to see that doctor in person. Those rules have proven particularly onerous because many people received care from nurse practitioners and used telehealth. The law also made it a crime to violate the new requirements.

    Another new law that allows doctors and pharmacists to refuse to treat transgender people further limits their options.

    “For trans adults, it’s devastating,” said Kate Steinle, chief clinical officer at FOLX Health, which provides gender-affirming care to trans adults through telemedicine. Her company decided to open in-person clinics and hire more physicians licensed in Florida in order to continue to provide care to patients who have already enrolled, even though that represents a major change to the company's business model.
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    Dunn estimates that 80% of trans adults in the state were getting their health care from a nurse practitioner and now have lost access. "Right now what we’re seeing in the community is just chaos,” Dunn said. The law also contains language that she said could scare off doctors who would be otherwise willing to treat trans patients, such as a 20-year statute of limitations to sue over care they provide.
     
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  19. swampbabe

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    He gave the same speech in New Hampshire. It’s his standard stump speech now. What a goober
     
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  20. ursidman

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    https://thehill.com/regulation/cour...ida-feels-like-a-first-amendment-upside-down/

    Yes, the state of FL should not be directing speech of private enterprise (at least for a while)

    Judge Walker:

    Normally, the First Amendment bars the state from burdening speech, while private actors may burden speech freely,” the Obama-appointed judge continued. “But in Florida, the First Amendment apparently bars private actors from burdening speech, while the state may burden speech freely.”
     
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