So what’s new in DuhSantistan?

Gerrymandering is the Debil! I fear we’re too far gone to remedy it. It would take one party in Congress passing a bill mandating that each state form a bipartisan committee to draw fair districts. Chances of that happening = zero.

 

The challenges to fixing this problem must be legion, but if I feel it’s an important problem, at least I might have place to cast a vote in good conscious.

 

While doing a search for "hate" I came across this post and find it coaxing a belated comment from me. Values, be they traditional or Christian, are not dogma. Values encompass how we deal with one another. The primary one coming to mind is to treat other people the way we wish to be treated. Reciprocity. Followed in no particular order by charity, respect, forgiveness, love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, faithfulness, and joy.

Apart from Christian values, but not altogether dissimilar as there are many crossovers, are traditional values - justice, integrity, trust, self control, non discrimination, respect, responsibility, among others.

Dogma is sectarian teaching and another thing altogether. Among the dogmatic it promotes or fosters self righteousness. It's not difficult to see what divisive havoc dogma has wreaked upon the world.

 

Most of us can be dogmatic at times and about certain things. I know some on here will take umbrage to this, but I think by and large, liberals are more accepting of diversity than conservatives (and certainly most evangelical Christians, ironically). As societies grow larger and more diverse, it is natural to be apprehensive, frightened even, about change and to want to "conserve" what one was taught. To be sure, most of those values -- the ones you list -- are timeless and essential to a society. However, as societies evolve, we begin to see that some of those values either weren't values as at all, but prejudices, or were based upon faulty knowledge.

The key, of course, is to keep an open mind and be willing to compromise. Liberals can be just as closed-minded as conservatives. I can think of a couple on TH.

 

Run for his office, take it away from him, stop the hate and discord that you so much despise, if you want to have change, you have to want to change it but to type words on a chat board does nothing if you think Ron DeSantis is doing so bad, or if you even live in Florida, run against him, vote against him, vote for his competition, if you believe in them, but talk is just that.. Talk

 

I didn't find your post hateful, per se. I came across it when I was doing a word search on 'hate' as it came up in my search. I do think you misconstrued or misunderstand dogma as being categorized as values. Who is the "they" that calls dogma "values"? I don't recall ever hearing or reading it classified that way.

 

That's a lot of punctuationless nonsense. You figure we should all either just run for governor or shut up?

 

I think you have it backwards. I think she is saying that others misconstrue dogma as values. And I agree with her.

 

Fixed it better?

 

She wrote in her post - "What the right calls traditional values is actually dogma that’s often bigoted and hate-filled." I won't disagree that dogma can be bigoted, but it's not based on the traditional or Christian values I listed above. Dogma is religious instruction that an adherent to a religious group is required to believe to be considered a member in good standing. It's something entirely different. Jesus told his disciples his yoke was easy and his burden light. Dogma is a heavy unnecessary burden of belief that often times runs contrary to basic Christian principles or values. The hateful messages targeting the homosexual community run contrary to the cause of Christ.

"They" conflate Christian values with dogma and argue from ignorance and fear. There is no excuse for ignorance. And no value in fear, it exists in opposition to true faith and Christian values.

 

I ordinarily would agree with you, but things changed somewhat when Mitch McConnell decided that he would not allow an Obama appointment to the Supreme Court to be voted on.

 

Perhaps it's only a difference in semantics, but I do see a distinct difference between dogma and values. Punitive laws or laws that discriminate or divide are not representational of the Christian or Traditional Values I revere. I have little to no respect for dogmatic proclamations.

 

Most certainly did I disdain that maneuver by McConnell. What is good for the goose is good for the gander, so I’d say that the democrats are cleared for use of the same action in future. However, I would stop short of saying that this justifies their adopting a novel approach of packing the court via alternative means. Even if they did accomplish this, the victory would be short lived, as the same path would then be open to republicans to return the favor. At that point, the balance of the court would simply swing wildly back and forth with each change in policial power in the executive and legislative.

 

Well DuhSantis sure made the NY DA that is going after Trump look like a Duhstrict Attorney.

 

What you (ironically) refer to as "policing," I refer to as "academic honesty, freedom, and integrity." Of course, academics should have power to exert their own discretion.

 

DeSantis can’t stop winning ...

Zelensky and John Cornyn Tag-Team Ron DeSantis, Get Ratioed to the Moon