So what’s new in DuhSantistan?

Florida a state with more old people than almost any other, saw a lot of old people die from age-old causes and their deaths were reclassified as Covid.

 

19th is just above average. And age is just one component. Floridians are also not trapped indoors for months at a time, like many geographic regions. The spread outside is less likely to impact Floridians than other parts. And there are a multitude of other factors. What were our more rural sector death rates compared with metropolitan areas, for example?

Overall, Florida was a middling state.

Also, I’d add that California fared one spot better than Florida, so I’m not sure how you can conclude, statistically speaking, that Newsome was the “worst.”

To me, the fact of that Florida and California, two states who handled Covid with the polar opposite extremes, bolsters my point that it was a crapshoot. A review of your chart, and the placement of the states, shows no real consistency between the states that were more or less restrictive.

 

You posted this. Thanks for confirming Newsom was Number 1! Way to go!

 

This disease killed older people especially with comorbidities regardless of vaccination status.

There is a reason we use risk benefit profiles when approving drugs. There is no way these shots should have ever been approved for young healthy people.

Do you understand this is how medicine works?

 

(this is repetitive to my post above, but for some reason the quote was not previously inserted, which I think is necessary for context)

19th is just above average. And age is just one component. Floridians are also not trapped indoors for months at a time, like many geographic regions. The spread outside is less likely to impact Floridians than other parts. And there are a multitude of other factors. What were our more rural sector death rates compared with metropolitan areas, for example?

Overall, Florida was a middling state.

Also, I’d add that California fared one spot better than Florida, so I’m not sure how you can conclude, statistically speaking, that Newsome was the “worst.”

To me, the fact of that Florida and California, two states who handled Covid with the polar opposite extremes, bolsters my point that it was a crapshoot. A review of your chart, and the placement of the states, shows no real consistency between the states that were more or less restrictive.

 

It shows that lockdowns and destroying businesses was unnecessary collateral damage. Keeping kids out of school was evil. And hurt those with the least the most.

Florida got it right. It is why DeSantis is such a threat to those on the left.

 

No one was trapped indoors for months at a time when covid broke out in March of 2020. That is an extremely weak argument with not data. I was joking that Newsom was the "worst", that was in reply to an uninformed poster who said DeSantis as the 3rd worst concerning covid. CA and FL death rates are about the same BUT FL had schools opened pretty much a year before CA and had businesses open months before CA did. There is a reason thousands fled CA and FL had an influx of people moving here.

 

If you want to have an honest conversation about FL compared to CA with dealing with covid and not discussing kids being kept out of schools for over 1.5 years in CA versus 2.5 months in FL then I don't think it's an honest conversation.

 

Young people hung themselves but it was Covid that killed them.

 

It killed older people who were unvaccinated at higher rates than it killed older people who were vaccinated.

It also killed younger people who were unvaccinated at higher rates than it killed younger people who were vaccinated.

If the goal is to have fewer people die, then more people should be vaccinated. The math really isn't that complicated.

 

No, it doesn’t. It shows the opposite. It shows that in many “low restrictive states”, the death rate skyrocketed, even on low population states. It also shows that in high restrictive states, death rates were still high — could they have been even higher without the restrictions?

Looking all over the world, some countries were impacted differently.

The conclusion is that we have no idea whether restrictions helped save lives. Your conclusion is that we should ignore an unknown illness with an unknown spread with unknown cure, and expose everyone and let luck take its chance in whether you live or die. I’m not quibbling with your risk of life. For my children, I want them to live.

 

If NYC was a state, it would have had the highest ‘Covid’ death rate in the world.

 

Now you’re bringing different component to the conversation. That’s fair, but a different argument. Sitting here today, it’s easy to Monday morning quarterback.

But in 2020, and half of 2021, we didn’t know so many things about the lethality and spread of the disease, and it’s mutations. The question is gambling with lives of teachers and children. To be sure, I hated seeing my children’s lives impacted. My daughter lost her senior year in high school ( prom and all the other things that go with it). My son was cheated of his sophomore year of college (which for me was my most fun year). But I’d rather that they experience the next 70-80 years, even with the loss.

 

It's not a different argument. I was making the case that DeSantis did a good job overall when you compare that FL opened schools and businesses before most states. We did know that schools weren't vectors for covid spread so that is a little bit of revisionist history. Your kids were at zero risk of dying of covid if they were healthy. Much better odds of them dying from the flu than covid. That's the issue. This isn't Monday morning QB'ing. I've been saying this for 3 years now.

 

“We couldn’t have known” AKA: the precautionary principle is what killed excess millions. Not some rogue nanoparticle that existed only in the form of an in silico geneome sequence.

Hammer an aging and already unhealthy population with fear, 24/7, months on end ... express shock when especially the frail elderly die en masse.

 

Can any DeSantis supporters defend this?

 

Which explains why he wears the white rubber boots.