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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by oragator1, Mar 10, 2023.

  1. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    I appreciate you sharing the knowledge. Fascinating stuff.
     
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  2. ncargat1

    ncargat1 VIP Member

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    The government will partner with someone like Goldman Sachs and bail out the uninsured accounts. Tax payers to the rescue again
     
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  3. G8trGr8t

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    Thiel got his money out.
     
  4. l_boy

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    I’m pretty sure this isn’t correct. I’d ask that you provide some support for this rather significant assertion.
     
  5. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    Are you questioning the ability to insure a large sum of cash(well over fdic 250k) across multiple banks?
     
  6. gaterzfan

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    The last time I looked, as of 12/31/21, the FDIC had net assets sufficient to cover about 3-4% of insured deposits. And, substantially all of the assets were US Treasuries. Folks are better served buying treasuries than placing $$ in commercial paper like bank CDs.
     
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  8. ncargat1

    ncargat1 VIP Member

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    If I am not mistaken, if your money is in a joint account, each name on the account is insured up to $250k. Additionally, if that account is in a Trust with beneficiaries, each one of them is insured up to $250k. Additionally, credit unions are not FDIC insured, but have their own shared insurance fund.

    I could be wrong here, since I am not in banking, but I think that by using shared accounts at multiple major banks, additional credit unions, brokerage accounts using brokerage CDs and money funds, and finally creating an appropriate trust, you can protect a lot of money without being a $Billionaire.
     
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  9. citygator

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  10. Orange_and_Bluke

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  11. ncargat1

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    In one view. However if the banks holding the payroll for dozens or hundreds of small businesses go under, those same people with $5300 in savings are impacted.

    So, not quite so easily a rich vs poor discussion.
     
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  12. G8R92

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  13. RealGatorFan

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    It is, serious. Ask your financial advisor. You really have to do your research, or rather they have, in order to know which banks operate outside of the Big 3. For instance, our favorite local bank, Bryant Bank, is based only in Alabama, yet if you read the fine print, the are managed by Bank of America. If we have an account with Bryant Bank and another with Bank of America, only one maybe covered by FDIC. It gets mirky here and it's why we chose to close our B of A account because of this (we still use their credit card). You also can't open accounts with each branch because it's still the same bank. You could open an account with each of the Big 3 and there are different types of accounts you can have at each that count as separate accounts. For instance, single accounts like savings, checking, money market and CDs can work side-by-side with certain retirement accounts and each would be a separate $250K. But you can only have one of each so if you have a savings and a checking account and dump $250k in each, only one is insured for the full $250K. But if you have a savings account with $250K and an IRA for $250K, both are insured. But you can't have multiple IRAs with separate coverages, all are added up and the first $250k is covered. Like I said, the best thing to do is talk with your financial advisor, but that's if you got more than $250k in your portfolio.

    Roku just made bad decisions. You would think they would have knowledgeable people on their retainer to advise them better than the high school dropout they used.
     
  14. vaxcardinal

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    there's an ETF for that
     
  15. oragator1

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    I have less than that amount in my savings account and I am not even close to living paycheck to paycheck. There really isn’t a need to store cash these days - if something comes up I can charge it, earn cash back and in a few days the funds from an investment account can be there to pay it off. I can also keep cash in investment accounts short term if I sell something or don’t like market trends.
    I keep enough in savings to cover my mortgage payment in case there was a hiccup like what happened this weekend with SVB, but that’s about it. All my other bills are paid off cycle paycheck wise from my mortgage so the amount serves the same function for the other two week window.
    And my investments are in 4 different firms to spread risk there too. Not that it’s insured, but you never know what could happen from a hacking or other bad actor.
     
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  16. oragator1

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    And tomorrow is gonna be fun.

     
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  17. citygator

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    $35k is the median 401k…. Including wealthy.
     
  18. citygator

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    Always a reason to bail out wealthy while working poor are called bad decision making grifters.
     
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  19. oragator1

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    I’ve always wondered how that number was calculated too. Less than half of my retirement savings is in my 401k. The rest is in a Roth, a rollover, uncovered accounts and an old 401K that isn't with my current employer. I think “how much you have in retirement savings” is very different from how much you have in 401Ks.
    Not that the savings outlook is gonna look great for most Americans, but it’s a narrow definition to limit it to a 401K. The median net worth in 2020 was around 120k. Of course that would include home equity, which isn't really liquid.
    Side note, the numbers everyone uses on net worth percentiles are updated every three years, they should be out around September this year. Will be interesting to see where things stand with the roller coaster of the last three years.