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Discussion in 'Awesome Recruiting' started by ncgator015, May 31, 2023.

  1. lizardbreath

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    Thank you for those are words of wisdom, born of experience. May I suggest that you post more frequently. Informed perspective seems to be in short supply these days.
     
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  2. TrueGator

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    Equating recruiting to sales is actually a really good analogy. Napier talks a lot about "talent acquisition", but, a view from the "program sales" perspective might be an even better description of the process.
     
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  3. bobbybaker86

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  5. ncgator015

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    Respectfully you are wrong. You admitted so when you said "depends on the sales cycle". I, too, have been in sales for over 40 years and recruiting is significantly different then selling capital equipment or automotive equipment. For one thing, you cannot string out a sale and go back years later to close the sale on a relationship you started five years prior. Secondly, witness TJ Moore's (along with others) verbal commitment following his visit to Clemson this past weekend. The kids and their families have an extremely short period to make a decision and out of state recruits and their families can't drive to Gainesville multiple times to visit the campus. Ditto for visiting the prospects. You pretty much have to tell him the ballpark of the NIL offer now; your competition dictates that. How is it that Bama, OSU, Clemson, ND, Michigan and others close on their prospect's visit? There is usually only one person (in a capital equipment sale) in the room when the sale closes. In recruiting 18 year olds, their are many and most are unsophisticated. There has to be a sense of urgency with out of state recruits. Rarely is their buyer's remorse. More likely, if they are all in, they will become recruiters for the Gators.

    Bobby's prior post obviously shows it happens. But take notice that they were kids close to Gainesville and with a legacy involved.

    I hope I am wrong.
     
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  6. gator_n_sc

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    A commitment today is nothing but words that no-one is held accountable for, hell a signature in December is even flimsy these days with the transfer portal and how easy it is to get out of a LOI. Why rush these kids to make a decision this early only for them to change their mind because they want to experience the "process".

    CBN should continue doing what they are doing, build relationships, garner respect and "earn" that signature with confidence.
     
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  7. gator_n_sc

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    And we have the same amount of commits as Bama at 8 sonplease explain how they are killing it so much more then us? Our player avg is right up there with theirs so it's not like we are taking scrubs to their blue chips.
     
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  8. INGATORSWETRUST

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    The above statement regarding the sales process would be accurate if all college coaches had the same challenge. The simple truth is that some coaches are better recruiters than others. They can establish relationships more quickly and effectively than others. I call it the “likeability” factor. We all know it exists. We have witnessed it with our own friend groups. Some are simply more likeable and fun to be around than others. Watching a game with, having a drink with, …. When your wife wants you to go out for dinner with another couple and the thought process that goes through your head about the other husband
     
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  9. bobbybaker86

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    To me, i'm just going to let the month play out. A lot of moving parts
     
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  10. Wanne15

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    This is true but if your paying at Spurrier’s. Ol eat with you whether we jibe or not. 3oclock before the Tennessee game please. See if it works, I’ll be there.
     
  11. 4RoswellGators

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    Agree. We have two more huge recruiting weekends coming up. After those two weekends, the coaches will determine if they have a real shot with top targets before letting "plan Bs" start committing.
    Plus the players are going on more OV's than in the past.
    This is going to take some time to sort out.

    FWIW...
    I think we're in great shape for most positions (great high end talent and options behind them).

    Edge might be the one boom or bust position.
     
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  12. Skink

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    You are wrong, and clearly know nothing about the automotive business. You act like this is a decision by two people — seller and buyer (or athlete in our case). Wrong. The kid, his parents, high school coaches, our head coach, the kid’s position coaches, and his recruiter all have a say, and the short-term and long- term reputation of the school, team, and coaches are all factors too. Oh yeah, then there’s the NIL factor and players.

    FWIW, The automotive supply chain is far more complex than you can appreciate, with purchasing, engineering, and manufacturing at the OEM, and multiple tiers of the supply chain:

    1 - raw materials suppliers
    2 - manufacturer of the part
    3 - sub-system integrators
    4 - Tier 1 supplier to the OEM

    Engineering, Manufacturing, and Purchasing at all those levels — and if they all aren’t on board, it either takes a lot more time, or doesn’t happen at all.

    Billy Napier & Co have to be responsible and credible to all involved, not just rock star high-pressure salesmen. They have to be aware of the impact of their actions not only on the kid and his parents, but also on their locker room and their long-term relationship-building at all the high schools they will continue to be selling to years from now.

    Consider that they know what they’re doing even though you get bent out of shape when a kid chooses one of our rivals who have done one hell of a lot better on the field over the past decade+. This stuff takes time to do right, especially when in year 2 of digging out of a deep hole.

    Go Gators
     
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  13. fredgarvin

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    So how many intake manifolds did we get this weekend?
     
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  14. thegatorvault

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    Good post. It’s part of a sales process called Stakeholder Mapping. If you are in the camp that thinks this is not done in the recruiting process, you also probably think relationship selling and recruiting have nothing in common. You would of course be wrong on both accounts.
     
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  15. Skink

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    None to my knowledge, but we didn’t need any so why waste resources on intake manifolds?

    FWIW, back in the 80s I led the program to develop the very first injection-molded thermoplastic intake manifold at one of the Big 3 automobile manufacturers. The program involved multiple entities in the US, Great Britain, and Germany :cool:
     
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  16. Crusher

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    Maybe we need this guy to close:
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  17. Crusher

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    Those early ones were junk...left me on the side of the road twice :mad:
     
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  18. propagator

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    Mine leaked water into one of the combustion chambers.
     
  19. Skink

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    Yeah they did some of the first ones in thermoset plastics that cracked. Fastening a plastic intake to an aluminum head requires a lot of technology, just as fastening aluminum heads to iron blocks did at first. By the time you’ve torqued and properly ‘stretched’ the steel capscrew, you’ve yielded the weaker materials. Also challenging is taking a 800 degree EGR line and attaching it to a plastic manifold that melts at 500 degrees. Lots and lots of finite element thermal and stress/strain models!

    Without divulging the names of the entities involved, ours worked great.
     
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  20. fredgarvin

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    You should invoice Skank for your troubles.
     
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