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Should the federal government send aid to cities for migrants ?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ATLGATORFAN, Nov 2, 2023.

  1. Gatorrick22

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    WHY SHOULD WE REWARD SANCTUARY CITIES?

    HAIL NO we should NOT give one penny to these sanctuary cities.

    'That is forcing all the people in the U.S.A. for reward illegals that invaded our nation...

    That's rewarding a crime (illegal invasion) against the sovereignty of The United States of America.

    I say let the cities involved foot that bill...
     
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  2. UFLawyer

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    Unless your middle name is Nostradamus, every prediction you have made is a theory. No exceptions. You are not God. Your word does not determine the future.

    As for your claims to explain the past. Those too are theories, which you are basing on economic principles. These principles are neither immutable nor infallible. They are not scientific proofs. They are subject to interpretation, which is why there are dozens of “experts” on every business channel pushing different theories. This is why Barnes & Noble has over 300 books at any given time on economic subjects. IT’S THEORETICAL! Even the underlying data to support your hypothetical is in dispute.

    Finally, your theory that criminal immigrants don’t work until they get work visas is laughable. This suggestion is akin to gun free zones being safer. There is no data to support your hypothesis. Criminals don’t care about laws, rules, regulations or filing out forms…..this is what makes them criminals.

    You are advocating open borders, and that is not a solution because it has no support in this nation or Congress. Come up with something better.
     
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  3. AzCatFan

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    If something happens 100 times out of 100, it's no longer theory. Supply and demand aren't theory. They are economic fact. Labor is a commodity. A shortage of labor with no corresponding decline in demand will always lead to higher prices. Labor also creates wealth, and a shortage of labor that leaves things dying on the vine will also mean business/GDP losses.

    And I never said the asylum seekers well m will wait until they get a work permit to find employment. I said they will wait to settle in and until the fear of doing something wrong and getting caught subsides. We can shorten this period by giving them legal work permits. Would also ease the load on the Feds. These people will likely start working in a few weeks or months. With legal permits, some would likely start tomorrow.

    As for open borders, it's a scare term. I'm for a system that allows supply of labor to legally meet demand. Like Canada has. No demand, cut supply. But as of right now, and more often than not historically, we've had a demand for immigrant labor that current law is woefully inadequate at filing legally.
     
  4. UFLawyer

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    who’s feeding and housing all of your immigrant friends for the two months while they’re waiting to calm down before they get a job? Asking for a friend.

    i’m not sure you understand the point that I am making. You’re claiming the sun is hot, and that is a fact. I would agree with you. However, just because I see somebody that is burned, does not mean it was done by the sun. When you say they have sunburned, you are speculating.
     
  5. AzCatFan

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    From what I understand, if the asylum seeker has family here, that's where the immigrants go after processing. Others are often helped by local charities or the government. Getting them work permits quickly would help relieve the burden and allow the immigrants to take care of themselves.

    As for the economic realities of what happens during labor shortages, if you can find an economic expert who says that doesn't end in rising prices, I'd be shocked. Or what happens to GDP when you remove a significant chunk of the labor pool, and they don't answer a reduction in GDP. This v isn't rocket science. It's basic economics.
     
  6. UFLawyer

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    our labor needs are shrinking due to technology.

    our immigration FUBAR should not be dictated by basic economics. That has already been tried, and has failed. Too many cogs to focus on just one.
     
  7. AzCatFan

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    We can't wait on if and when tech will fill our labor needs when we have them today. And the last time our immigration policy was based on economics was during the very successful Bracero Program. Since that ended, it's been so FUBAR that over 1 million was granted asylum under Reagan in 1986, and we currently have 8 million undocumented in our work force.
     
  8. mrhansduck

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    Interesting two stories here in terms of Cuban migrants and immigration generally. Curious how this is perceived by Florida voters - who have traditionally embraced Cubans and Venezuelans, in particular, but who seem to be becoming more conservative.

    In majority-immigrant city of Hialeah, Trump promises historic ‘deportation operation’

    Speaking in a city where three-fourths of residents are foreign-born, former President Donald Trump on Wednesday night promised to deport a massive amount of immigrants on the first day in office should he be reelected.

    “Under Biden the U.S. has become the dumping ground of the world. .. They’re coming in in levels never seen before — never seen before in any country. There’s never been anything like this. Our country is being invaded. This is an invasion,” Trump said at a rally held in opposition to the Republican National Debate happening across town simultaneously.

    “On Day One I will terminate every open borders policy of the Biden Administration,” he continued as the crowd’s cheers swelled. “And we will begin the largest domestic deportation operation in American history.”

    While the comment was met with thunderous applause, the location for such remarks is also notable: Trump held his rally in Hialeah, a city where 95.8% of residents are Hispanic, and 74.1% are foreign-born, according to U.S. Census data.


    As crisis deepens, Cubans scramble to migrate by any means

    For many, like Echavarria and his wife, it has also become a last resort as Cuba's economic crisis deepens with no end in sight.

    "There are other ways, but you need money or a family member outside the country," Echavarria told Reuters in an interview at the airport, referring to a refugee program introduced by the administration of U.S. President Joe Biden in January that requires a U.S.-based sponsor.


    The United States - the top destination for Cuban migrants -has since 2022 increased legal pathways to migration for Cubans, including visa access in Havana, in an effort to reduce illegal migration.

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    About 10,700 Cubans were encountered at the U.S.-Mexico border in September, up from around 6,200 a month earlier, according to U.S. government statistics. Levels of border arrivals, however, are still lower than a year ago, when fewer legal avenues existed to apply from abroad.