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Should the federal government send aid to cities for migrants ?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ATLGATORFAN, Nov 2, 2023.

  1. wgbgator

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    One of those laws is that asylum seekers get their day in court/get due process, so happy to report we have a country. Respect the law or change it, right?
     
  2. partdopy

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    I don't often complain about that. Luckily for me I got into my long term debts (mortgage, car) before prices skyrocketed and my interest rates are sub 3%. This means a 10% increase in food cost doesn't really bother me. I also get my power from hydroelectric and nuclear so again the price increases have been not noticeable there. Lastly my family drives less than 1,000 miles a month in total and I commute in a 2013 Corolla so minimal transportation costs.

    I've openly stated that these things are disastrous for the 'less fortunate' which is, ironically, where most of Biden's pandering is aimed at. Guess you all feel they should have planned better.

    Only thing that really impacts me is the difficulty of finding trades people to do renovations and such on my house.
     
  3. VAg8r1

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    Fixed it for you:
    Aren’t those cities run by the same people who have told us for years that illegal immigration pays for itself through economic productivity?
    Immigrants Contribute Greatly to U.S. Economy, Despite Administration’s “Public Charge” Rule Rationale | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities
    Immigrants as Economic Contributors: Immigrant Tax Contributions and Spending Power
    By the way and I'm not going to argue the point too much, you are aware that illegals basically work off the books. Legalize them and they will work on the books with their income being subject to income and social security payroll taxes.
     
  4. G8tas

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    Why are you talking about enforcing laws? Are you saying that the people at these facilities have broken the law?
     
  5. Tjgators

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  6. G8tas

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    We can support the cities by supporting the judges that have a backlog of asylum cases. We need more judges but Congress won't fund them so the backlog continues to grow
     
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  7. G8tas

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    Is it illegal to claim asylum?
     
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  8. VAg8r1

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    And he somehow verified that they were illegals? Maybe he has the amazing ability of being able to infer their status just by looking at them. By the way this is the guy.
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  9. mdgator05

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    Okay, so you think that inflation is a disaster for the less fortunate, but you are backing immigration policies that will make it worse to benefit...the less fortunate?
     
  10. AzCatFan

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    Tucson metro has about 1 million residents. 445,000, or 44.5% are Hispanic. Nogales, AZ has another 19,000 Hispanic residents, and Tucson is the closest airport. Nogales, Sonora, which shares the border with its American namesake has about 240,000 Mexican residents.

    I don't know about anyone else, but I can't distinguish legal status based on look. And it's expected to see about half the people at TUS to be of Hispanic descent. The overwhelming majority of which are either citizens or traveling legally.

    I also find it ironic when people say no laws = no country. Especially when our country was founded by a bunch of outlaws that if the British had won, would've been tarred and feathered for their crimes. Our Founding Fathers understood the laws should serve the people, not the other way around. And whom does the law serve if when followed, causes massive stagflation? Who, if anyone, benefits? And wouldn't everyone be harmed? Imagine the recent spike in inflation coupled with mass recession and layoffs! If this is the result of following the law, we're much better off changing the law then suffering through enforcing it.
     
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  12. UFLawyer

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    what facilities?
     
  13. UFLawyer

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    I agree. But… Asylum is a privilege, not a right. But it is a right that our country affords under limited circumstances, and those rules need to be followed as well. That said, we don’t have actual asylum if people who are denied asylum get to stay here anyway. We just have an open door.
     
  14. UFLawyer

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    If you lie in your application, then yes.( likely)
     
  15. wgbgator

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    It actually is a legal right, so its not a privilege at all
     
  16. BigCypressGator1981

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    Why do you keep mentioning Sanctuary cities? They aren't here illegally.
     
  17. UFLawyer

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    applying for asylum is a legal right, obtaining asylum is a privilege.
     
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  18. wgbgator

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    If you want to think of it that way, buying a gun from a gun store is also a privilege then
     
  19. UFLawyer

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    i’m not thinking of it any way. I’m stating a fact. Are you disagreeing with my anssertion? Asylum is a privilege. The same way that driving a car on the highway is a privilege. and yes, buying a gun from a gun store is a privilege. A gun store is not required to sell you a gun. Are you being serious here?
     
  20. wgbgator

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    Privilege means nothing in any legal sense, you can apply it to whatever you want. If you are granted asylum by using your right to claim it, you get to live here, whether you or they think of it as a privilege or not. Has no bearing on the process or the right.
     
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