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Should parents have the right to perform transgender surgeries on their kids?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by TheGator, Feb 8, 2025 at 12:33 PM.

  1. g8trjax

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    Yes, it is a bit queer.
     
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  2. Orange_and_Bluke

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    The gender phenomenon is relatively new.
    But what we do know is many who dabble in gender dysphoria are mentally unstable.
    Let’s just make an educated guess on how this all turns out.
    It’s not going to be good.
     
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  3. gator_jo

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    Nobody wants to defend their lying clown?
     
  4. g8trjax

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    I think you may be on your own...
     
  5. gator_jo

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    He's not my clown. You voted for him though, right? No thoughts on those absurd lies?

    Just pretend he didn't lie those absurd lies?
     
  6. lacuna

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    In answer to your thread title question - NO. Parents are entrusted to lovingly guide and protect their children as they navigate the bewildering and confusing challenges kids inevitably face as they grow into adults. Parents with good sense know a child or teenager's whim, obsession, or infatuation can turn on a dime and they will focus on assisting their gender confused child to understanding why there is this confusion. Surgical alterations, even hormone therapies are radical strategies intended to grant the child's desire to be something he or she is not. These irrevocable decisions should not be made by the parent, but left to the child when he or she reaches adulthood.

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    Now, about your preface to the OP, "All I know is Democrats are mentally ill." It is as insulting and offensive to Democrats as it would be to Republicans if it broad brushed them as you have broad brushed Democrats. It immediately hinders the sort of constructive conversation sorely needed in this troubled time. I will repeat something I posted a few days ago on another thread.

    "It's intellectually dishonest to cast slurs on your opposition or their associations in any debate. There are only two intellectually honest debate tactics:
    1. Pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s facts
    2. Pointing out errors or omissions in your opponent’s logic

    The question has great latitude for discussion without prefacing your post with an offensive subjective opinion / comment on the state of your opponents mental health.
     
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  7. g8orbill

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    like the homosexual marriage issue the libs pushed
     
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  8. VAg8r1

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    Genital surgeries are almost never performed on minors and other surgeries are extremely rare. Chris Hayes was referring to prescriptions for puberty blockers the effects of which are generally considered reversible and hormones and even those are not prescribed all that commonly. I'm so old I remember when it was conservatives who took the position that medical decisions should be between the doctor and the patient (or in the case of minors, the parents of the patient) and that an overreaching government should not be interfering in what should private decisions. Times have really changed with pseudo conservatives now taking the position that Big Brother knows best.
     
  9. gator_jo

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    Hey Bill, are schools performing gender changing surgery without parental consent? Or was your liar lying?
     
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    Personally I would have preferred the term civil unions to marriage to describe unions between gay couples. That being said how do unions between gay men or lesbians negatively impact you even if you consider them inconsistent with your religious teachings?
     
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  11. citygator

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    Why don’t we just skip to the end and lock all trans people up in institutions that we can call “camps” so the right wingers feel safe and moral as they trade child porn back and forth?
     
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    Why are libbies so worked up about the tiny, tiny percentage of school kids who are killed in school shootings.

    Get a life.
     
  13. lacuna

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    It's a scary scenario no parent wants to face and it's now the current moral crisis headliner. In the time of Jesus the social and moral pariahs were the prostitutes and the Jews who collected taxes for the Romans while keeping a generous portion for themselves. Jesus associated with them, dined with them according to biblical accounts. There is no full account of what was discussed, but he was not deterred by the criticism he received.

    In our time the social and moral pariahs have been abortionists, Gays, and sexual predators. These were / are sins / offenses 'Christians' would never want to be caught doing. And now add transgenderism into the mix as the outrage over cross dressers reading stories to children seems to have diminished as did furries. It kept / keeps the electorate riled up and distracted while other agendas are quietly, or not so quietly enacted. Those most offended for whatever reason they may have, or give, will be more likely to support Christian Nationalism, the aim of Project 2025.

    And the outraged and offended will be more likely to endorse or actively support the deconstruction (read destruction) of our democracy as it slides into whatever it is Musk, Trump, et al have planned for their amusement and increasing their enormous wealth. It's a game for them, a real time multidimensional chess match. We are their pawns as they set the rules and tilt the universal playing field in their favor.

    It's not about establishing Christianity as the national religion. It's about establishing a dictatorship assisting the greedy amoral power brokers using it to attain their selfish goals. He who dies with the most money and control, wins.
     
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    It started with “how does our getting married affect you ?” and ends up with people like my friend who “lost his son” when his son’s school admins and various advocates held him hostage to the threat of suicide if he didn’t endorse his son becoming his daughter. Turns out “gay” was the camel’s nose under the tent.
     
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    How did parents get along 20 years ago when, you know, we never heard about anything like this?
     
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  16. lacuna

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    Your question is ambiguous. What specifically are you asking?
     
  17. slayerxing

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    the ones in here disproportionately starting the threads?
     
  18. VAg8r1

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    The treatment of transgender persons including transgender teens isn't new. What's new is the politicization of the issue by right-wing politicians. Below are links to articles and papers on the subject all of which are at least 20 years old.
    Sex Reassignment of Adolescent Transsexuals: A Follow-up Study (2002)
    https://www.unco.edu/counseling-center/resources/pdf/mh-care-trans-individuals.pdf
    https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/88/8/3467/2845109
    https://transgenderlawcenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Medical-Fact-Sheet.pdf
    The successful treatment of a gender dysphoric patient with pimozide - PubMed
    https://mds.marshall.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1054&context=etd