Shots fired at KC parade & celebration

Hope they throw the book at the suspects, that they get convicted, and that they never see the light of day again. Zero excuse for this kind of bullshit.

 

Lax gun laws makes it cheaper/easier to obtain on the streets. Every gun starts out “legal”, until it gets stolen or sold by a crooked dealer.

Nowdays with 3d printing and ghost guns maybe it’s a moot point. Although I’m not aware of one of those being used in one of these high profile shootings yet. Actually very often the mass shooting situations have the shooter either acquiring the weapons as part of the plan to commit a mass shooting, or having easy access to a parent’s weapon, often despite there being known mental illness/unfitness issues which should *obviously* preclude their access to firearms. This isn’t rocket surgery.

As these were minors maybe it was the parents weapons? With the circumstances here (at least two minors involved) I’d put my money on it being gang related type incident and the guns being stolen. Sadly this sounds like typical gang shootout that hits an innocent bystander.

 

Probably stolen from a car

 

What are these lax gun laws you are speaking of? The lax part is that when the police arrest a felon with a gun he or she is back on the street again with a gun in short order. There are plenty of gun laws but they don't do much when they turn the criminals back out on the street. Most of the guns on the street are handguns and most of the guns being used in crimes and shootings are handguns. Most of the gun laws that lawmakers are trying to pass are for rifles. Most of the people working on getting the laws passed don't have a clue about guns of any type. You will never stop people from getting guns anymore that they have stopped people from getting illegal drugs.

 

At the risk of sounding like a "back in my day" nostalgic, I think there is a certain naivete about today's teenager culture. Not that I think kids are different today but the exposure and social influence they receive is clearly different with less supervision and restrictions for many reasons. I mean it always starts with parenting but the lack thereof now leads to exponentially more deleterious effects than ever. Just for context I'm in my 40s and while kids always had sex, got into fights drank, etc we didn't have nearly the same fascination with guns, "body counts" i.e. sexual partners, synthetic drugs, vapes, cosmetic procedures and the narcissism inducing social media from the time we wake up till we go to sleep.

 

Repeat offenders is a problem too. Not going to argue against that. It would be easier to control guns on streets than drugs imo. As I intimated, maybe 3d printed guns and ghost guns could end up coming in volume, but as of yet most guns in crimes are manufactured and the use of homemade guns is exceedingly rare. As far as “lax gun laws” I’m referring to states with no CCP or now going to zero permit or (crazily imo) open carry are just asking for more of this stuff because they are allowing for more guns in the hands of morons or those who 100% should not have guns in the first place. I see it as a proliferation issue. This is not specific to hand guns or AR’s. I’ve always said some tighter regs around mental health would cut out a major chunk of school shooting situations.

This is not likely that mental health issue, this sounds like the urban street crime issue. Which as I said is a proliferation problem. Some crazy % of guns are just taken out of unlocked cars. How about… I don’t know… not doing that? If you just leave a weapon laying around and let it get taken, and that gun is used in a crime, in essence you committed an act in furtherance of that crime. Again, it all goes back to proliferation. If you are criminal wanting to acquire a weapon, just target the dude with the “come and take it” or NRA sticker on their vehicle. A lot of people basically advertise it.

 

Gun laws are extremely lax. There is no tracking of guns, making it extremely easy to move ve a gun from the legal to the illegal market. There are no records by which we can easily detect people purchasing guns from the legal market and then either selling them to people not legally allowed to have guns in private sales (straw purchases) or smuggling them to groups like the cartels in Mexico or the Central American or Caribbean gangs involved in the drug trade. There are no requirements to ensure that people with guns should still have them. No continuing mental health screenings or even mental health screenings at the time of purchase.

Basically, there are extremely limited laws that would make gun ownership even remotely inconvenient, which causes a complete lack of enforcement.

 

Smuggling guns to the Mexican cartel like Obamas Operation Fast and Furious? It sounds to me like you don't like the 2nd amendment. So who should decide if I should "still" be allowed to own my guns? So do you think all the gang banger felons are going to go get a mental health check up so they can keep their guns? Straw purchases are against the law and there are ways they can track guns.

Do you really think guns laws are going to stop criminals that don't care about laws? You must think a sign that says this is a gun free zone and no guns allowed will stop a shooter from coming in with a gun.

 

Taylor Swift donates $100,000 to family of woman fatally shot at the Chiefs victory parade

 

That was a sting operation run by ATF starting in 2006 (although they did change the name in 2009). Interesting that you decided to go partisan on it. Who was President in 2006-2008? But, interestingly, the investigatory goal of that program was to investigate the Iron River going into Mexico of straw purchased guns. They went with such an investigational tactic because of the lack of laws or ability to actually directly investigate those sort of purchases.

No problem with the Amendment. My problem is with the notion that inconvenience to gun owners violates the Amendment.

An expert in mental health who has been trained to recognize certain mental health characteristics of people who use their guns to illegally shoot other people.

Don't know. But I do know that tracking would raise the price of them obtaining a gun.

There actually aren't. It is literally illegal to track guns.

Yep. Well-designed laws impact markets even if certain actors don't care about them.

Nope. But when somebody shows up with a gun, people are able to better distinguish them as a person that likely means to do harm versus somebody who just likes carrying a gun around.

 

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gun laws that tie guns to owners and make them responsible for what they get used for would. make all sales have to go through a dealer. maybe if people were responsible for the gun action they would be a little more careful in securing it and who it gets sold to. or better yet, enforce the language in the second as it was written and voted on by the founding fathers; or do you only like parts of it and don't like the part about the whole well-regulated militia part.

 

And I guess you don't like this part "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

 

2 men charged with murder in Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl parade shooting

 

And I'm certain you don't understand the history of the 2A. At the time the Bill of Rights were adopted, they did not apply to the states. If you knew about the history of the amendment, the language you conveniently omitted might actually make sense to you. @G8trGr8t was kind enough to post it for you.

 

I responded to a post that omitted language. But I am not going to respond to you any more as you are already so certain of everything you think you know even if you don't.

 

Throw away the key

 

So people died and more were inured and terrorized because of that. Good freakin grief. These idiots should never walk the streets again.

 

We are gonna tread all over you rednecks.