Shooting in Highland Park, Illinois. Near July 4th parade. 6 deaths..

I don't believe that 2a limits govt from regulating the commercial sale of guns or regulating guns for militia purposes so I can easily see a "duty" for sellers being imposed, which would not be an end around at all. The idea that 2a prohibits govt from regulating a gun market is not in the constitution. In effect, it's no different than govt's ability to regulate/control the sale and ownership of explosives etc.

 

Righties are probably more disgusted at him dressing in drag than him killing a bunch of people.

 

Killer looks right at home. Groomed for doom indeed.

 

FWIW, I see the challenge as more in the way 2a is poorly worded that gives both the right of the people to keep & bear arms and the purpose being for a militia in defense of country, which the constitution also lays out in a more expansive way in Art 1/Sec 8 than some believe, how govt can regulate that militia.

This is why, for instance, that pre & post revolutionary common laws about carry (among other laws such as storage laws) were not only widespread but post-revolution, constitutional.

 

2A protects your right to bear arms; it doesn't give gun sellers immunity from civil suits for reasonably foreseeable harm.

It's the same reason why a restaurant can get dinged for overserving a drunk driver that goes out and kills someone. Or why Section 230 exists via congressional action rather than judicial fiat. Just because you have a right doesn't mean other people can negligently (or knowingly) help you use that right to commit a crime/tort.

 

Trump vs Biden, smdh. Children just go away. Talk about this nut that just took lives and what causes this repeated pattern of assailant traits.

 

Why do you think I’m talking about examining the backround check process itself?

This guy had all kinds of public social media crazy (just that we know about), and I’m assuming meth or other drugs might be there as well.

So… how did none of that apparently factor in to keeping this rifle out of his hands? There is no perfect system, but several of these recent young male shooters *legally* getting their hands on rifles have been straight up nutso. The system that allows it is nuts. It should be noted that several of the recent shooters were in their teens, this guy 22, so even shifting the age up to 21 wouldn’t have stopped this particular instance. There really is no one singular solution. It has to be multifaceted.

 

Putting this here. 2 yo found and saved by bystanders. They reunited him with his grandparents. Both his mom and dad weren't as lucky

Dr. Rubin, MD on TikTok

 

Tragic as heck. This is the new reality for Americans.

 

What we know about Robert 'Bobby' Crimo III, the suspect in Highland Park parade massacre

 

Damn. No words. Instead of thinking of these casualties as sum -7 people killed- we should consider them as 7 x 1.

 

It’s a bit complex. Gun manufacturers have special immunities. I have heard one former industry insider (forget name), talk about the different was guns are advertised after the act, with no fear of litigation using your ads

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a U.S law, passed in 2005, that protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. Both arms manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act - Wikipedia

 

Our free state in all its glory.

 

I see you and your lefty buddies seem to be somewhat turned on by him dressing in drag you sure seem obsessed with it.

 

That's just the price the kid has to pay so that some bad a** wannabes get to own weapons of war to look cool.

 

In fantasy land, a guy who wraps himself on a Trump flag and posts far right messages would be considered a leftist. But, we usually see in Too Hot where the fake news right wingers who post elsewhere are going with events. Just Like the capital invaders were Antifa until the invaders became tourists who were invited in. Left or right, I don’t care. I just want to know his motive. And it is really immaterial to brand him one way or another until we know the facts and his motive.

 

It's too soon for liberals to be injecting their idea of redeeming qualities into another senseless act of violence.

 

This seems to be a monumental failure by the Illinois government and his family.

Either Illinois as a whole, or Highland Park specifically, have nearly every firearms restriction gun control advocates push for, and it sounds like his guns complied with the Highland Park ordinance. Illinois requires a Firearm Owners ID (“FOID”) to buy a gun or ammunition. And Illinois has state-level mental health prohibitions that go well beyond the federal prohibited persons laws (including a requirement that any mental health admission be reported rather than only involuntary commitments, and a requirement to revoke FOIDs upon a report that someone represents a clear and present danger to himself or others).

He has apparently been determined to be a clear and present danger at least twice previously (once for a suicide attempt, once for threatening to kill his mother with a knife). One of his parents’ homes apparently has a mural of a smiley face character with a rifle painted on the back wall. And his dad sponsored his FOID application (required because he was under 21 at the time) after he had twice already been determined to be a clear and present danger to himself or others. And then his uncle (who lived with them) gave the “we never could have seen this coming” interview.

This is, if anything, the case that proves gun control laws can’t always prevent this kind of tragedy, because he seems to have somehow managed to skate through all of them. Illinois State Police and his dad are probably both going to (rightly) get their asses sued off for facilitating that, but this doesn’t seem to be one that could have been prevented if only we had more gun control.