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Secret Service erased Jan 6th text messages after oversight committee requested they turn them over

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by WarDamnGator, Jul 14, 2022.

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  1. Jul 17, 2022 #41
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    Ray Epps is an old fool who bought in to all the lies and had his life ruined by people like Tucker Carlson because of it. I almost feel sorry for the guy, but if he hadn't been such a fool he wouldn't be in this situation.
     
  2. Jul 17, 2022 #42
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    Is that the Ray Epps guy? I really don’t care enough about this to look it up. If he’s a federal agent, why was he on the FBIs most wanted list after the attack?

    Anyway, he Sounds like every Trumper who got arrested that day, and Trump himself, for that matter. That guy from the daily show who does man on the street interviews chased down a bunch of rioters and they said the same crap this guy is saying. So what?
     
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  3. Jul 17, 2022 #43
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    Yes, kinda queer how he's suddenly depicted as a victim in all this crap. :rolleyes:
     
  4. Jul 17, 2022 #44
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    If you consider an irrelevant point a point, then he has a point ;)
     
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  5. Jul 17, 2022 #45
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    Victim? I said he was on the "most wanted list" ... #16. Seems unlikely he was an FBI agent if the FBI didn't know who he was and wanted the public's help to identify and arrest him.

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  6. Jul 18, 2022 #46
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    What do you think this video proves, other than another idiot who trespassed at the Capital?
     
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  7. Jul 18, 2022 #47
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  8. Jul 18, 2022 #48
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    Yeah, it’s turning into a confusing story. The article you linked even mentions the different answers DHS is getting from Secret Service. The CNN story today quoted a Congress person as saying they were told the devises we’re deleted and not backed up prior. My guess to why they claim they can suddenly produce them is that they used a proprietary messaging service and all their files are on a server somewhere. That would fit with today’s news and not necessarily mean they were lying before.

    I hope they get them…. And I hope there is nothing to this. As it stands now, the Secret Service did the right thing by keeping Trump out of the Capitol. I hope this story doesn’t overshadow that.
     
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  9. Jul 18, 2022 #49
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    They said they had what the committee requested a few days ago. Lot of people talking who shouldn’t and misspeak, so who knows. Wordsmiths and parsing. Still unclear if they have everything from individual phones or if they cleared personal data, etc. Nothing is ever deleted unless they fill the old space or hammers. When we would migrate devices, they would do phonebooks and that was it. Then wiped and Hulk, smash.
    Given the perceived security on their devices, who knows. I wonder if they are allowed to carry personal phones or no due to security risks
     
  10. Jul 19, 2022 #50
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    So…. Now they are back to saying the text messages are “lost” unless the employee uploaded them before the migration….

    However, Tuesday's document production didn't include any of the potentially missing texts from January 5 and6, 2021, a Secret Service official told CNN. That's because the agency still has not been able to recover any records that were lost during a phone migration around that time, the official said.
    "Any message that was not uploaded by the employee as a government record would have been lost during the migration," the USSS official told CNN, referring to the agency's backup procedures.

    Secret Service gives thousands of documents to January 6 committee, but hasn't yet recovered potentially missing texts - CNNPolitics
     
  11. Jul 19, 2022 #51
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    Whether it be incompetence or malfeasance, heads need to roll.
     
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  12. Jul 20, 2022 #52
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    With Text messages, don’t almost all entities leave those up to the employee to decide what is personal and what is public record?
     
  13. Jul 20, 2022 #53
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    I suspect the government is similar to private industry regarding personal use of company equipment (phones & computers). You are given a notice up front that personal use is discouraged and that the company has the right to any information from that device.
     
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  14. Jul 20, 2022 #54
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    I think this is correct. If the phone was government issued everything you do on it is potentially part of the government record. If you use your own phone or computer for government business, then the employee is required to separate and turn over records of Government business.
     
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    I doubt the Secret Service has a BYOD policy. These are most likely issued to agents with an AUP, acceptable use policy. They should know that there is no expection to privacy on issued devices and I would think that anything on those phones, business and personal, is subject to scrutiny.
     
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    I agree, and the fact that they are claiming a system wide device upgrade wiped out the text massages appears to support that these were not privately owned phones.
     
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    In a way, I wish they had taken him because his coup d’etat attempt would have been immortalized for all generations to see.
     
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    I don't know if has been linked, but I'm pretty sure I read that there were 2 emails sent out instructing users to not delete anything, if I remember correctly.

    Data retention policy fail.
     
  19. Jul 20, 2022 #59
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    I don't know if they been deleted or not and neither do any of us. This is what reporting has become, and we all jump on it. First clue is, if the article states an unnamed source, better hold your powder before you start firing off accusations.
     
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    A thread from a great follow on issues of cyber security, Paul Rosenzweig:

     
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