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SCOTUS overturns Chevron plus other decisions

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by l_boy, Jun 28, 2024.

  1. l_boy

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    As long as they accept their gratuity after the ruling, it is all good.

    This is a terrible ruling for our country. Means that nothing can get done without congress writing out the smallest details, and we have a congress that isn't willing to do anything.
     
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  4. grouchygator

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    Obviously you have never been involved in defending agency overreach.
    The cure is easy, Congress, not the agency, needs to write the rules.
     
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  5. grouchygator

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    That’s not true.
    What it means is Congress cannot write ambiguous laws and leave it to the agency to interpret.
    Not to flip on my tribe, but this stuff is written by K street and only benefits lawyers.
     
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    Even the best congress isnt going to be prescient or cover every detail
     
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  7. BLING

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    More future manmade environmental catastrophes and superfund sites courtesy of the corrupted conservative judicial enterprise, but hey Desantis took care of the air balloon crisis. :emoji_joy:
     
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    Excellent work by the Republ-ban continuing to drag this country backward to the "good old days". All of the rights and protections put in place for workers, the environment and even individual's own bodies all evaporating into the mist.

    We are truly devolving into a backward thinking sh!+-hole of a country.
     
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  9. l_boy

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    I assume this applies to the IRS. What a shit storm. There are so many issues the IRS makes judgments on that are not clear at all from vague legislations.
     
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    Yes, even in the best situations this is a bad ruling, and we are not anywhere close to the best situation, this is a terrible ruling.
     
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    Lawyers are going to be the ones fighting every new regulation or law in court because its "ambiguous" ... this is a fantastic ruling for corporate lawyers lol.
     
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  12. philnotfil

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    That sounds good in theory, but in practice, Congress doesn't know enough to write the specifics. Congress should be pointing the direction, and then people who know how that field works should be making it happen.

    In practice, any legislation that pits we the people against a corporation, is going to end up benefiting the corporation. Because they have lobbyists who will gladly write up the specifics and spend time and money convincing Congress to do things the easy way.
     
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    Congress isn't going to effectively get into the weeds on every regulation on every piece of public land in the country when it comes to resource management. Most of the western states are public lands, so millions of acres. It either gets mismanaged or not managed at all as it gets tied up in endless committees and lawsuits.
     
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    It means Congress henceforth cannot write ambiguous laws? I don’t think this plays out as you think it does. THIS is a field day for corporate lawyers to get around laws, everything can be made “ambiguous”, especially in areas of the environment where Congress cannot possibly envision every possible scenario to have codified into law.
     
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    Easy? You mean the congress with a 12% approval rating? A bunch of do-nothings? Lol The congress in 1975 passed 649 laws. 713 in 1987, 500 in 2004 and it has been downhill ever since then with just 362 with the last congress.

    They now have to make very specific laws in many different areas and that's not going to happen. They're too busy subpoenaing each other over BS.

    You complain about the two party system failing us and then bring up the most divisive two party platform for an easy cure? Make up your mind.
     
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    The crazy caucus is too busy swinging from the rafters and slinging shit at each other to address any of this effectively.
     
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    Great timing for Boeing. FAA can't do anything to them now.

    It will be interesting to see if the tobacco companies push to get their flavored products back on shelves now, or being able to advertise again.

    So many money-making opportunities back on the table for so many corporations.
     
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    Reading you lefties on here, you are the threat to the republic I have been calling out Biden and the Democratic Party of being.

    For 40 years, government agencies have been allowed to write the rules, quasi laws, and then become the judge, jury, and executioner. This overturn has been long overdue, just like Project 2025, to protect citizens rights to a fair judicial proceeding with a jury of peers. To oppose this is to oppose the US Republic and the US Justice System.
     
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    Lawyers are also the ones fighting Agency over-reach.
     
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