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school closures harmed american education

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by buckeyegator, May 15, 2023.

  1. Orange_and_Bluke

    Orange_and_Bluke Premium Member

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    Don’t you see the problems and self fulfilling nature of liberals creating liberal biased research?
    I am troubled by the liberal takeover of our academic institutions and the second a conservative is brought on board at UF, the pitchforks are on the table.
    I’d say the WSJ is one trustworthy source.
    Call me skeptical.
     
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  2. gatordavisl

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    Nope. Certainly one can find some liberal biased research, but it's not the big issue you perceive; certainly not to the extent that one should roundly reject research as you have.
     
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  3. Orange_and_Bluke

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    But you are a liberal educator.
    What else would you really say?
    Right?
     
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  4. gatordavisl

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    Nope. I'm a professional educator. I save the liberalism for keeping out of control cons like you in check in the appropriate forum for it.
     
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  5. AzCatFan

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    I don't envy those who had to make the decisions between keeping schools open for the kids, and potentially risking the lives of teachers. The best decisions one could possibly make in my opinion are data driven ones. But even that is imperfect, and will lead to mistakes. Especially if the data is wrong. Which with a novel virus, is bound to happen.

    For example, original data coming out of Manaus, Brazil showed NI to be ineffective. In time, as it turns out, it was shown that the data was seriously flawed, which made the results of the study useless. More recent studies have all shown NI to be more effective than vaccine immunity. For the record, hybrid immunity, which is NI plus vaccine is even more effective.

    Now, if it's possible one study on NI and COVID was flawed, isn't it possible that one European school study that showed no mitigation effect if schools were closed could also be flawed? Of course. Especially when there is plenty of literature showing keeping schools closed helped mitigate spread of the virus. I linked three previously, but here is another one, and a fifth one.

    To claim there is no evidence closing schools slows the spread of COVID is an outright lie. The only way you can make a statement like that is to ignore all the studies that show the opposite. Now there are studies that do show very limited to no mitigation effect by keeping schools closed. But if you are making a data-driven decision that might cause someone to lose his/her life, do you just depend on the studies that show they will be safe? Or do you also take into consideration all the studies that show there is an increased danger?

    I know what some on this board would do. Follow those like Dr. Lapado, who ignored studies that disagreed with his opinion on vaccinating kids 12 and older. He literally deleted disagreeing results from his recommendation and went with just one study that agreed with his conclusion. Unfortunately, every study since then has shown Lapado was wrong, and he picked the wrong study to base his recommendation on. Makes you wonder how many kids were unnecessarily hospitalized because Lapado ignored data that didn't fit his conclusion?
     
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  6. QGator2414

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    One of the more ignorant posts I have seen.
     
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  7. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Thanks for driving my point home.
     
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  8. QGator2414

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    LOL…

    Still nothing to add. No
    Victimhood here. Waiting for you to actually address the topic instead of attacking the person you disagree with. Your cute attacks make me chuckle. It is sad you can’t make an argument!
     
  9. jjgator55

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    Bla bla bla. Run along.
     
  10. jjgator55

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    No you didn’t.
     
  11. Gatoragman

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    Never let facts get in the way of your good argument.
     
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  12. gator95

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    Karen being Karen.
     
  13. philnotfil

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    What is keeping conservatives from showing the bias in the liberal research?
     
  14. Orange_and_Bluke

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    Hold a sec.
    Are you saying that you don’t think the media is mostly liberal leaning?
    Are you saying that most journalists aren’t liberal and don’t vote liberal?
     
  15. mrhansduck

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    I don't think the WSJ conducts its own studies. But to the extent you trust its reporting, it has run opinions and articles over the years consistent with the studies indicating that physical punishment is less effective and actually causes more problems.
     
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  16. Orange_and_Bluke

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    I’m well aware of the studies that show physical punishment to be undesirable.
    There is also ample evidence in the world that show a little scare in your children can go along way to creating desirable behaviors.
     
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    Objectively, all this proves is how important good teachers are. Maybe we should treat them accordingly instead of making their jobs increasingly more difficult.
     
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    Herein lies the fundamental flaw of Con thinking. That the media is the source of research. Just stop. Journalists of both leanings may show bias in their reporting, but seldom does the professional researcher wander off track, and when it does happen, they get outed. Biased reporting gets outed as well.
     
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  19. HeyItsMe

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    When you bring a new argument to the table, I’ll have a proper response at that time. In the meantime, if you keep regurgitating the same old, tired arguments that we’ve shot down a multitude of times, I’m not going away to acknowledge those with any sort of appropriate response.
     
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  20. Orange_and_Bluke

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    How naive of you.
    Wow. Your blind obedience to the government is only matched by your blind faith to the liberal media.
     
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