school closures harmed american education

Well, I live in the land of the free called Florida and I love it. Also, I would tell you the same thing. If you don't like Florida, then move somewhere else. Pick the Biden loving Bulldogs and go root for them and live there.

 

That’s hilarious. Listen Sunshine you don’t know me, but you’re not so hard to figure out. You’re just another scared white guy that’s terrified of the changing world around him. What you’re cheering in Florida is a MAGA last gasp before being replaced by someone who may be dark-skinned, a gay or lesbian, an immigrant, a non-Christian, or a woman that has the audacity to look forward rather than look back. Your so-called land of the free is an artifact of a racist, misogynistic, homophobic ideology that was rejected long ago and has the relevance of an 8 track tape. Now embarrass yourself with the last word because I’m done with you.

 

"If you don’t like our laws then leave" is for thee and not for me. That is about what I expected.

 

It’s almost like a shell game …

 

Who didn't see this coming...



Oh, and thanks Randi!

 

Oh my gosh, “If you don’t like it then leave it.” It’s something MAGA republicans enjoy saying as much as they enjoy saying the “N” word or calling women the “C” word. Just the right’s way of saying “You uppity colored people and women better learn your place, or git!”

 

Oh THFSG it’s the libs who’ve been telling me to love it or leave it.

 

Lol, you literally said the same thing up thread. Nonetheless, you have not realized it yet, but that is a pretty terrible statement. I hear echoes of Nazi attitudes towards Jews and slave owner attitudes towards Africans in your post. What you said is a dirty prejudiced gross mischaracterization of a large swath of people. It is 100% hateful. You should log off and rethink your life.

 

Anyone who was for school closures gets to own the fact that these kids are woefully behind in school. It should've never happened and those who let it happen should never be in power again. I was fine with schools closing in the spring of 2020 because we didn't know what we were dealing with. BUT, all schools should've opened in the fall of 2020 like Florida did because we had the data at the time to know kids weren't at increased risk and neither were teachers.

 

It's a wonder why FL didn't have learning loss during covid? Maybe because FL wasn't closed for years like other states.

https://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/subject/publications/stt2022/pdf/2023010FL4.pdf

 

Middle schoolers' reading and math scores plummet
Students' basic skills were disrupted in a way that we would not have thought before," Carr said. "These data are clear on that point."

 

Isn’t this all sort of “no shit Sherlock” type stuff?

Now if they are still consistently tracking low 5 years from now (when todays 3rd graders become 8th graders), that will definitely say something. But essentially kids just completed their first fully “normal” school year after the pandemic, it’s not surprising they are still behind. I tend to think given time everything will return to the mean or typical standards one would expect for each state. Especially for the younger kids as they progress through the grades. The question is do they need some type of remedial action, or will it just happen naturally given time.

 

Only kids in states where schools were closed did they "just" complete their first fully "normal" year. FL has been normal since fall of 2020.

 

Florida wasn't normal in the fall of 2020. It still wasn't normal in the fall of 2021. At our kids' schools (St Johns county), they spent way too much of the year (2021) in study halls because too may students and teachers were out. Administrators were afraid to just close the school because the governor had made it clear he was willing to punish children to get his way. So instead of closing school when a quarter of the students and teachers were out, they just packed kids into the auditorium so they could be supervised. You can have two staff members legally supervising up to 8 classes of students as long as you don't care if they are doing any learning.

Even after things settled down a little in the spring of 2021, one of my kids had a science class where the teacher was teaching two classes at the same time for about a month. The teacher would stand in the doorway and lecture/answer questions for ten minutes, then run across the hall and stand in the other doorway for ten minutes.

 

In Seminole County my kids never had 1 issue like that in any of their classes(2 HS aged kids). Everything was normal in fall of 2020. Hell, he had HS baseball in the fall and spring like nothing happened. Zero time in a study hall. Don't think your experience was the norm at all. My sons travel baseball team had kids from all over central florida(Orange, Seminole, Volusia and Lake County) and non had anything close to what you described.

 

I'm glad that covid wasn't as bad where you lived.

 

Interesting.

Any idea what's up with that notable drop on both lines between '17 and '19 (before FL plateaus through Covid, and the country drops steeply)?

 

No, not sure why that happened.

 

Stunning lack of empathy couched in “How could we have known ?”

How Lockdown Broke a Generation and No One Seems to Care – The Daily Sceptic

 

If anything it was schools being over cautious because of Covid fear. Having kids wear masks. And making them stay home if they sat next to a kid that ended up getting Covid. Florida was way ahead of the game. But even in Florida our Governor had to play the game and provide for over cautious policies that still did not appease folks like you.

Florida had moved on and most teachers were done with the idiocy. Sadly the minority living in fear was enough to require idiotic policies even while being open.