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Scenario: Trump Wins The Election. Democracy Hangs By A Thread. What Should We Do?

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Contra, Jul 11, 2024.

Trump Wins The Election. Democracy Hangs In The Balance. What is the best response?

  1. People who care about their country should form an armed resistance to save democracy.

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  2. Democratic states should secede from the union to preserve democracy in blue states.

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  3. Biden or whoever it is that runs the country should declare martial law to save democracy.

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  4. Challenge the election results to save democracy.

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  5. Accept the election results, and wait until the 2028 elections to save democracy.

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  6. Accept the election results because there is no threat to democracy.

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  1. Contra

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    I made a meaningful comment in light of recent events. It was not simply a bump for bumping sake. We are now in the window of time where we can see the results of these speculations play out, which makes commentary on this thread relevant to this moment in time.

    Since the thread started we have seen multiple assassination attempts on Trump, and we are now seeing a possible scenario where politicians could hinder the election results from being certified. That is relevant to the thread.
     
  2. gator_jo

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    1) We have not seen multiple assassination attempts. Please say things that are true.

    2) What the hell are you talking about "politicians hinder election results."

    Not that you'd be opposed to that anyways, right? I mean didn't you vote for POTUS in '24 a guy who literally enacted a criminal conspiracy to hinder election results in 2020?

    That was OK, but now....it would really really bother you?

    I'm trying not to be rude, but what's the most polite way to call someone a hypocrite? Surely you see my point.
     
  3. Contra

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    Fact Check: False. I have stated in the past how I stand with Mike Pence's decision to certify the election results in 2020 (see below), who I thought could make a difference for our country when I voted for him in the 2016 election. It turns out that he did.

     
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  4. gator_jo

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    But you voted for a guy who enacted a criminal conspiracy to overturn an election?
     
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  5. Contra

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    I also voted for the guy who stopped him by certifying the election results, and Pence being on the ticket was one of the reasons I voted for Trump.

    A vote does not equal an endorsement of every aspect of a candidate's platform. For most Americans all a vote represents is a preference for one candidate/platform over another candidate/platform. If we fail to express that preference other people such as you will make that decision for us whilst you literally hide everything dark and evil about your preferred candidate in the closet and under the rug while only shining a spotlight on the other candidate's flaws.

    Only when you are willing to consider moving the spotlight over to the bloodlust and totalitarian tendencies of your preferred alternative will a productive conversation be possible about this subject. I don't think you are capable or willing to do that, though.
     
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  6. gator_jo

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    Pence did this in 2024?
     
  7. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Absolutely.
     
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  8. vaxcardinal

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    No comment on his 2nd paragraph?
     
  9. gator_jo

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    Lol. So many words.

    Sorry, but conspiring to criminally overturn an election should be a total deal breaker for each and every American, when voting for POTUS. $hit is un-American and criminal.

    It's pretty much the same as knowingly casting a ballot for someone who rapes or sexually assaults women.

    Oh wait, never mind.
     
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  10. Contra

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    You bring up rape as an argument, but it actually sets the table to expose how evil it is of you to vote for the alternative. It leaves you with nowhere to hide when it comes to defending the abortion issue. You see legally in this country minors cannot consent to sexual relations with adults. We call that rape. And if you accept that, then you know full well that a baby in the womb cannot consent either since an unborn baby is much much younger than the typical minor-aged rape victim. However, the rape victim has one advantage over the unborn baby when their consent is violated. They sometimes actually live to testify in court against their abusers to see their abusers brought to justice. The unborn who do not give consent to anyone to be burned alive with chemicals, to be dismembered, or to be starved to death by pills that cut off their food supply, they do not get a day in court to get justice. You, the person who votes for this barbaric practice as if it is some kind of holy sacrament, are their abuser because you cast your vote for that kind of abominable behavior. That is because people like you don't care one bit about their precious little lives. Trump is one man. That is the scale we are talking about...one man, but you advocate something which is almost identical in nature, on a scale of millions and billions of people, since the goal of the DNC is to spread this horrific treatment of human beings to the entire world. Not a single vote for Trump is a vote to legalize rape. Every single vote for the DNC is a vote to violate millions of unborn human beings in a manner that is as gruesome or even worse than rape.
     
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  11. gator_jo

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    This argument frames the abortion debate in stark and emotionally charged terms, equating abortion with the act of rape in a way that seeks to provoke strong moral reactions. However, it overlooks important distinctions, both in terms of legal frameworks and the realities of bodily autonomy and reproductive rights.

    First, the legal context is crucial. In the case of rape, we recognize the violation of bodily autonomy, where the victim is subjected to an act of violence against their will. The key difference here is that the person affected—whether a minor or adult—has a capacity for consent, a critical concept in legal and ethical discussions. On the other hand, abortion deals with a different moral and philosophical question about when human life gains moral status and the rights of a woman to make decisions about her own body.

    While many people, especially those with pro-life views, equate abortion with murder, others see it as a matter of women's rights to make decisions about their reproductive health. The comparison to rape can be seen as an attempt to elicit emotional responses, but it may also alienate people who believe that women's right to choose should be a key consideration. The ethical discussion surrounding abortion often hinges not only on the moral status of the fetus but also on the rights of the mother, who may be facing difficult and personal circumstances.

    In debates like these, it's essential to engage with the complexity of the issue, considering both the moral implications for the unborn and the rights of the woman carrying the pregnancy. Calling those who support abortion rights "abusers" or suggesting that voting for a party supporting abortion rights equates to endorsing mass violence may not contribute to meaningful dialogue or understanding. Rather, it can deepen divides and hinder productive conversations about how to address the underlying issues in ways that respect both individual rights and moral considerations.
     
  12. vaxcardinal

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    Guess you don’t like being labeled a supporter of mass violence
     
  13. Contra

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    C&P his response here. According to Scrbbr it is most likely 100% AI generated. My initial post he was responding to was most likely 100% handwritten based on the same AI detector.

    https://www.scribbr.com/ai-detector/

    @tilly I know there is not a rule on the books for this, but posting AI responses…is that something the moderators have discussed?
     
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  14. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    No we have not, though long suspected many of the posts are AI generated.
     
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  15. vaxcardinal

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    Interesting,but AI or not it seems like youre one to him should to be used whenever him or others respond with their ridiculous line towards voters who voted.
     
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  16. chemgator

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    I defended Trump in 2016 on this very forum, calling him a "bombastic, bumbling, benevolent H*tler". I would like to change that to "semi-benevolent".
     
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    I believe there are now rules to calling him hitler so you’ll need to make another change to your name calling
     
  18. chemgator

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    Are you not smart enough to see the difference between street protests in a random U.S. city with possible violent interactions with cops and street protests with possible violent interactions with cops during an attempt to invade the U.S. Capitol building, where lawmakers were essentially held hostage for several hours? Do you really think the two are equivalent? Do you really think any country would tolerate an invasion of one of their most important government buildings?
     
  19. chemgator

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    But I made that reference in 2016, when it was legal. I am merely quoting it now to demonstrate how ashamed I am of making it back then.

    Edit: I fixed it so I no longer have myself quoted as calling him "Hitler".
     
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  20. Contra

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    My response to your AI generated rebuttal is this: malice can be codified into law. That is what slavery was. It made slavery no more moral than abortion is. Slavery was legalized malice towards a group of people. So, we can both agree that malice can be ruled as constitutional by judge or a court. Ultimately, the power to change malicious legal systems rests in the hands of those who are empowered to change the system. You the voter are empowered to change and alter the system if it becomes legal to maliciously violate another human being. It is actually your moral obligation to change the system if it maliciously abuses other human beings. You have proven you are unwilling to punch your ballot to stop the malicious destruction of millions of people. So, stop lecturing us about the malicious treatment of human beings because you seem to be completely fine with it.
     
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