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Roe v Wade Overturned

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorGrowl, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. l_boy

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    My wife works, still works and now I am retired. She made as much as me or more in recent years. She was never the type that would have been happy being a stay at home mom (and I don’t blame her) and I would have always had a lot of stress on me if I knew our livelihood depending 100% my job in corporate America.
    Luckily over the years both of our jobs have been flexible such that we could tag team the efforts of raising 2 special needs kids. Many years I worked part time consulting and my wife worked for a small company that had flexibility. She was essentially her own boss.


    Most of my wife’s sisters work.

    My mom OTOH was a SAHM

    The key driver I see in that decision with most people is how much the primary earner makes. If the primary earner makes substantial earnings many people come to a rational conclusion that a secondary spouse lesser paying job doesn’t bring in a ton more between taxes, commuting and work expenses.

    I would say that exactly the opposite happens subtly - that moms of comparative affluence perceive social pressure to stay at home because if you really care about your kids, you’d stay at home right? I think decades ago “Dr” Laura renewed that trend and way of thinking and to a degree it still has legs.
     
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    Texas GOP delegates voted on a 2024 platform Saturday and plan to finalize it soon - which endorses the death penalty for abortion according to Jessica Valenti's substack. Their proposal calls for new legislation to solidify fetal personhood ideology into law, define abortion care as homicide and criminalizing in vitro fertilization. It also affirms their right to succeed from the union. LOL.

    Texas GOP Platform Endorses Death Penalty for Abortion Patients

    But, the group added, they not only managed to get equal protection in the platform, but language calling for the Texas legislature to “nullify any and all federal statutes, regulations, orders, and court rulings that would deny these rights” and “adopt effective tools to ensure the enforcement of our laws to protect life when doctors or district attorneys fail to do so.” (Check out Plank 217)

    In other words: extremists who would see women given the death penalty are dictating Texas Republicans’ abortion policy.

    And the Texas GOP knows it. Last week, for example, Republican state Rep. Stephanie Klick attacked her primary opponent David Lowe, saying, “the legislation he prefers would give the death penalty to women who had an abortion. I don't support that.” Lowe responded by insisting, “What I support is the Republican Party of Texas platform on abortion which is the same laws that protect you and me to protect everybody else to include pre-born children.”

    Again, these are no longer ‘fringe’ groups. This week, NBC News reported on the rise of so-called abolitionists and how they’re using social media and state legislators to advance their extremism. From law professor Mary Ziegler: “There are more legislators who are willing to hear these bills or take them seriously. They are no longer saying this is fringy and ridiculous or we aren’t going to entertain this.”
     
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  4. sierragator

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    This is what the GOP wants. Welcome to chattel hood gals!
     
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  5. philnotfil

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    The pro-life people are trying to kill people? That seems kind of weird.
     
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  6. GatorJMDZ

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  7. sierragator

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    a sort of modern day underground railroad? The control freaks will set up checkpoints.
     
  8. philnotfil

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    Texas man details wife's devastating miscarriage amid state's strict abortion laws: "Nobody uses the word abortion"

    Shortly after returning home, Hamilton recalled playing with his 9-month-old daughter when he noticed a missed call from his wife. He found her unconscious in the bathroom surrounded by blood. He carried her to the car and rushed to the emergency room.

    "I got to the hospital, ran inside, told them what was happening. And they [the hospital that refused to do anything for her earlier] took her in. And you know what they said? 'Thank God, you brought her,'" he recalled angrily, adding that at one point he thought he might lose his wife.

    The doctors told the couple that the third round of misoprostol was successful. Eventually, she was stable and the pair was able to return home. But the painful process of losing their child is something that will stick with them forever.

    "I want people to know that this really happens. My fear is that stories like ours will continue to get told and not believed," Hamilton said. "Everything in her life right now that she's having to do to get better is not just a reminder of the baby that we lost, it's a reminder of what they put her through, and she has to do it every day."
     
  9. l_boy

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  10. GatorJMDZ

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    It was hard for me to understand how the lower courts found the plaintiffs had standing to begin with.
     
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  11. l_boy

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    It was a far right wing court.
     
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    Keep in mind that the 5th Circuit is the most conservative federal appellate circuit and that the case was originally brought in Amarillo, Texas ensuring that Matthew Kacsmaryk a judge whose religious beliefs trumped the law would hear the case. Really demonstrates the effectiveness of forum shopping. I cannot imagine any other federal district court judge finding that the plaintiffs had standing.
     
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  13. GatorJMDZ

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    I certainly understand that, but when you see SCOTUS ruling 9-0 that is strongly indicative of the "0" side having taken a REALLY bad position.
     
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    When the suit was originally filed I couldn't see how the plaintiffs had standing since they weren't harmed by the use of Mifepristone. In the ultimate example of forum shopping the plaintiffs found perhaps the only Federal District Court judge who is opposed to all forms of abortion including medically induced abortion and was willing to put his religious beliefs above the law. If Trump is elected we can expect to him nominate many more federal judges like Kacsmaryk selected by the Federalist Society based solely on their extreme religious right positions. Sadly this isn't the end of the attack on Mifepristone. We can see more state laws, enforcement of the Comstock Act if Trump is elected and if Trump is elected perhaps an FDA commissioner appointed by Trump who would seriously restrict access to the drug although probably not banning it outright through withdrawal of its approval.
     
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    This is only the beginning. If Trump gets another four years, the federal judiciary will be inundated with extremist crackpots like those in and on the Fifth Circuit.
     
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  17. oragator1

    oragator1 Hurricane Hunter Premium Member

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    The dems should put this guy in every national ad.

     
  18. tampagtr

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    Completely predictable and completely unimportant to the proponents of the law

     
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  19. swampbabe

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    Much more important to mind someone else’s business to demonstrate their moral superiority.
     
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  20. l_boy

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    Link found in Texas between rising infant mortality and state’s abortion restrictions | CNN

    Right to life. But a short life.


    The new JAMA Pediatrics study found that, between 2021 and 2022, infant deaths in Texas surged 12.9%, compared with a much smaller increase in the rest of the US of 1.8%. It also found a significant jump in the rate of infant mortality in Texas – or the number of deaths per thousand live births – relative to the rest of the country, suggesting that the increase in the number of infant deaths was not solely the byproduct of a rise in births. In that same time period, infant mortality rates rose 8.3% in Texas, compared with an increase of 2.2% in the rest of the nation.

    The neonatal mortality rate – or the death rates of babies younger than 28 days – also increased in Texas by 5.8% but decreased in the rest of the US, the study found.

    The study looks at the effects of the 2021 law, called Senate Bill 8, which made no exceptions for rape or incest, forcing women to carry a pregnancy to term even under traumatic circumstances. It also made no exceptions for congenital anomalies, also known as birth defects.

    The study also found that the number of congenital anomalies increased in Texas from 2021 to 2022 but not in the rest of the US.
     
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