Welcome home, fellow Gator.

The Gator Nation's oldest and most active insider community
Join today!

Roe v Wade Overturned

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorGrowl, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. l_boy

    l_boy 5500

    12,913
    1,727
    3,268
    Jan 6, 2009
    I wonder if it peoples faith would be as strong if they knew, and believed that he actually looked something like this

    upload_2024-4-10_22-18-18.png
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Funny Funny x 1
  2. phatGator

    phatGator GC Hall of Fame

    5,617
    5,251
    2,213
    Dec 3, 2007
    Dayton, Ohio
    I disagree with the idea that scholarship regarding the resurrection of Jesus has not advanced since 1906.

    I find it interesting that you dismiss the work of Gary Habermas and Bill Craig on the resurrection of Jesus because they are not historians, but you accept Albert Schweitzer as the final authority on the matter, and he also was not a historian.

    You have staked your eternal destiny on your response to Schweitzer‘s book and it appears you don’t want to consider any other evidence or argument.

    By the way, the dissertation for Bill Craig’s second doctor degree, this one from the University of Munich, was on the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus.
     
    Last edited: Apr 11, 2024
  3. mrhansduck

    mrhansduck GC Hall of Fame

    4,793
    994
    1,788
    Nov 23, 2021
    To be fair, that depiction does kinda look like a confused mug shot.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
  4. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

    3,905
    816
    268
    Jul 2, 2022
    DeLand
    There is absolutely no evidence of Jesus’s resurrection. Schweitzer saw this and said it was because faith is important to god. Faith is believing stuff without evidence. I am incapable of believing stuff without evidence. Perhaps this is the way god created me. So his plan for me was eternal damnation? Such a loving god.
     
    • Like Like x 2
    • Fistbump/Thanks! Fistbump/Thanks! x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
  5. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

    3,905
    816
    268
    Jul 2, 2022
    DeLand
    This is reasonably accurate however it is not a phd but a doctorate of theology.
     
  6. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,300
    13,209
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    You mean he didn't look just like a white American fundamentalist? Shocking.
     
  7. docspor

    docspor GC Hall of Fame

    5,732
    1,824
    3,078
    Nov 30, 2010
    [​IMG]
     
  8. phatGator

    phatGator GC Hall of Fame

    5,617
    5,251
    2,213
    Dec 3, 2007
    Dayton, Ohio
    This is hilarious. You dismiss Craig’s work on the resurrection because his second earned doctorate is a ThD and not a PhD, like the first one was.
     
  9. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

    3,905
    816
    268
    Jul 2, 2022
    DeLand
    He is not a historian is my point. I imagine I have read and studied this issue more than you have. You dismissed Schweitzer’s the Quest for the Historical Jesus. I read it twice. Once in English and once in the original German thinking that the translation may have been lacking.
     
  10. phatGator

    phatGator GC Hall of Fame

    5,617
    5,251
    2,213
    Dec 3, 2007
    Dayton, Ohio
    Schweitzer was not a historian but you accept his work.
     
  11. FutureGatorMom

    FutureGatorMom Premium Member

    10,741
    1,219
    808
    Apr 3, 2007
    Florida
    And publicly having sex? When? Where?
     
  12. danmanne65

    danmanne65 GC Hall of Fame

    3,905
    816
    268
    Jul 2, 2022
    DeLand
    Well I didn’t accept it. I found it wrong. I have never read anything better and I have read a lot. Not by theologians but by historians and linguists. One I have been reading lately is Bart Ehrman. Most of the nonsense written by apologists are just restating the Kalam cosmological argument. I read with an open mind. I prefer the authors of the books I read to write with an open mind. Starting with the resurrection happened is not starting with an open mind.
     
  13. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

    14,059
    22,595
    3,348
    Sep 27, 2007
    Bug Tussle NC
    Ehrman has written some interesting books -read several and just finished Triumph of Christianity. He never really debunks the Resurrection- he says (iirc) that there were several witnesses who were recorded as saying they saw Jesus in the flesh post crucifixion and that those accounts may have been written in that fashion due to the concomitant controversy over the divinity of Jesus.

    I have Schweitzer’s book but haven’t started it.
     
  14. mrhansduck

    mrhansduck GC Hall of Fame

    4,793
    994
    1,788
    Nov 23, 2021
    I might do an Ehrman book next. Which would you recommend the most?
     
  15. ursidman

    ursidman VIP Member

    14,059
    22,595
    3,348
    Sep 27, 2007
    Bug Tussle NC
    He has many and a few plow the same ground. A couple I liked.
    Jesus Interrupted- looks at some of the contradictions in the NT and opinions of contemporaries of Jesus as to what he was.
    Misquoting Jesus covers the what changes to the NT have occurred, who did them, and their possible reasons.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  16. gatorchamps960608

    gatorchamps960608 GC Hall of Fame

    4,520
    942
    2,463
    Jul 4, 2020
    Public relationships I think he means.
     
  17. WestCoastGator

    WestCoastGator GC Hall of Fame

    2,491
    116
    273
    Apr 12, 2007
    I just admit that I don't know and so am comfortable with the agnostic label. I'd add that the gnostic perspective makes much more sense to me than any of the mainstream denominations. Finally, the idea that non-believers are condemned to eternal damnation is absolute nonsense. This nonsense was, in fact, invented by Dante.
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2024
    • Agree Agree x 1
  18. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

    22,983
    5,629
    3,488
    Apr 3, 2007


    It’s like they want to lose elections.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Informative Informative x 1
  19. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,300
    13,209
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    Own it gop, own it.
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  20. sierragator

    sierragator GC Hall of Fame

    15,300
    13,209
    1,853
    Apr 8, 2007
    They'll just claim their election losses were rigged. It's what they do.