Roe v Wade Overturned

Personally I have no problem with referring to a third term fetus as a baby. Not so much with a zygote the size of the head of a pin or a 6-week old fetus the size of a kidney bean, both of which are referred to as "babies" by so called prolifers such as yourself and are analogous to the egg in the fry pan or even a late first trimester or early second second trimester fetus biologically incapable of living independently outside of the womb.

 

So you’d be okay if women were allowed to kill their zygotes but crack down when the zygote begins sucking its thumb ?

 

Maybe illustrations would be helpful, both of which are "babies" according to your definition.
3rd term fetus


Zygote (actual size roughly that of the head of a pin)

 

I know what a zygote is. I also know it sprouts fingers and toes at eight weeks. Would you be okay drawing the line there ?

 

Probably the best indicator of when a fetus should be considered a human being is brain activity, not fingers or a heartbeat. Depending on how it's measured that would from the 12th to 24th week of gestation (previously posted a link to an article on gestational brain activity; it was around the 12th week based on detectable rudimental brain activity, the 24th week or later based on activity between synapses).

 

So a baby can be a thumb-sucker but not much of a thinker and get the thumb’s down ?

 

I'm not sure why you're wasting your time with the viruses aren't real guy. I've found an easy line to draw. A baby is a person who was born. Anything before that ain't a baby. How do I know? Because we don't treat it like it's a person.

 

I don’t believe viruses are real. You don’t believe that our offspring is human.

 

Same.....with a check.

 

While I was admittedly facetious I have raised the following hypothetical several times on this board over the last several years, do you believe that the frozen in embryos in cryogenic receptacle should be counted in determining congressional representation or for that matter every other purpose upon which population is a determinative variable? If you believe that a zygote from the moment of conception is a human being the answer would have to be in the affirmative.

 

Do you believe in arguing hard cases while tend and perhaps hundreds of thousands of thumb suckers are being killed every year in the US ?

 

Louisiana Republicans Kill Rape, Incest Exceptions to Abortion Ban After Unhinged Hearing

Don't kid yourselves, they want this nationwide.

 

Pictured: undifferentiated mass of cells …

 

My question is do these people realize how abjectly evil these moves are?

 

They truly believe that abortion is murder.

 

That and it's about control no matter how some folks will argue that it's not. Not having agency over your own body is the epitome of control.

 

Only it's not.

 

If this passes, no more IVF for couples who need help. And better make sure you aren't going to have an ectopic pregnancy before conceiving.

https://whnt.com/news/alabama-news/new-alabama-bill-wants-abortion-to-carry-murder-charge/

HB 454 was introduced by Rep. Ernie Yarbrough (R-AL07), Rep. Ben Harrison (R-AL02), Rep. Mack Butler (R-AL28), Rep. Mark Gidley (R-AL29), and Rep. Ritchie Whorton (R- AL22). Yarbrough represents the Lawrence County area, Harrison represents Lauderdale/Limestone counties, Butler and Gidley represent Etowah County and Whorton represents Madison County.

The proposed measure says, “This bill would repeal the provision that prohibits the prosecution of homicide or assault following any abortion and the provision that prohibits the prosecution of homicide or assault against any woman with respect to her own unborn child.”

This bill also seems to target the use of medication saying it would expand the definition of a person for “criminal code purposes” to include “an unborn child from the moment of fertilization.”

Under the proposed bill, there is also no distinction for homicide if the victim is unborn. “This bill would also provide that prosecutions of homicide or assault where the victim is an unborn child shall be treated the same as prosecutions of homicide or assault of a person born alive,” according to the bill summary.

 

Neanderthals, actually worse.

 

Who could have foreseen this given the rhetoric?