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Roe v Wade Overturned

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorGrowl, Jun 24, 2022.

  1. VAg8r1

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    This is our country now, and it makes me so sad.

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    It’s pretty wild how abortion is now a wedge issue that democrats will be able to use politically after the GOP has been using it to great effect for almost 50 years. A complete turning of the tables. Gonna be a lot of single issue straight democrat ticket voters as a result of this.
     
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    If you’re a woman living in Idaho better get out while you still can. The Republican Party just voted for no abortion exceptions for the life of the mother in their party’s platform and they control the state.


    No exception for life of mother included in Idaho GOP’s abortion platform language - Idaho Capital Sun

    By a nearly four-to-one margin, Idaho Republicans at the state party’s convention in Twin Falls rejected an amendment to the party platform on Saturday that would have provided an exception for a mother who has an abortion to safe her life.

    Scott Herndon, a candidate for the Idaho Senate who won the Republican primary over Sen. Jim Woodward, R-Sagle, in May and has no opponent in the general election, proposed adding language to the party platform about abortion. While language already existed in the platform classifying abortion as murder from the moment of fertilization, Herndon’s language added that the party supports the criminalization of all abortions within the state’s jurisdiction and said Idaho’s Constitution should be amended to include a “declaration of the right to life for preborn children.”
     
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    The irony is that in almost every situation in which the mother has died because she was refused an abortion the fetus has also died. What those willfully ignorant theocrats fail to realize is that by prohibiting abortions to save the life of the mother they're not saving the life of the fetus who would almost certainly have died in any event but are rather ensuring that both the mother and the fetus would lose their lives.
    Two examples:
    Polish state has ‘blood on its hands’ after death of woman refused an abortion
    Death of Savita Halappanavar - Wikipedia
     
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  8. dynogator

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    I assume a lot of these men that are willing to sacrifice women for a fetus are married, and have children. I wonder how their wives and daughters feel about this callousness?

    It sometimes happens that men are put in the horrible position of deciding whether the mother or the fetus lives. I believe most men would choose their wives in this scenario. Not these men, evidently. I think that would make me feel very bad, if I were so unfortunate as to be their spouse.
     
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    I wonder what some of those who decided to “flee” CA for greener pastures in ID are thinking now.
     
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    Just that *one* death in Ireland caused them to realize how insane their policy was, and to reverse course on their abortion ban.

    You’d think a few deaths caused to pregnant women would quickly end the insanity, but in the U.S. the history of mass shootings and the political responses to those suggests otherwise.
     
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    Good point. There are undoubtedly theocrats who believe that "life begins at conception" and that a few maternal deaths are a necessary price for protecting the lives of "babies" even though rationally in the vast majority if not all of the cases in which the mother dies because her pregnancy was not aborted the fetus also dies. Although it's virtually never the case I also suspect that in the collective minds of a good percentage of prolifers nominally terminating a pregnancy to protect the life or health of the mother is really just a pretext for what they probably believe is an elective abortion requested by an irresponsible pregnant woman because she either failed to use contraception or failed to abstain from sexual intercourse.
     
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    The “pro-life” Republicans in NC just introduced a bill that would make abortion punishable by death. No, I don’t think Abortion is best left to the states where gerrymandering has allowed bug-eyed zealots to dominate.
     
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    Remember when we heard that people were being hyperbolic and that Pro-Life people weren't really going to push to this extreme?
     
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    Another example of the law of unintended consequences.
    Abortion laws spark profound changes in other medical care
    To save the lives of embryos and fetuses, the so called prolifers are apparently willing to jeopardize the lives and health of humans after birth and that's not even just pregnant women. Because they can also used as abortifacients its becoming difficult to obtain drugs used to treat a variety of conditions.
    One example of such a drug:
    The 27-year-old has lupus, an autoimmune disease that can cause the body to attack tissue surrounding joints and organs, leading to inflammation and often debilitating symptoms. For Schwarz, these include bone and joint pain, and difficulty standing for long periods of time. She recently received a notice from her doctor saying she’d have to stop taking a medication that relieves her symptoms — at least while the office reviewed its policies for methotrexate in light of the Supreme Court ruling. That’s because the drug can cause miscarriages and theoretically could be used in an attempt to induce an abortion.
     
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    It also legalizes murdering abortion doctors to "protect" the life of a fetus.
     
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    Louisiana woman forced to endure "painful" labor to deliver nonviable fetus

    Awoman in Louisiana was forced to endure a "painful" and hours-long labor to deliver a fetus that was not viable, her doctor wrote in an affidavit supporting a legal challenge to the state's abortion ban.

    The case was highlighted before District Judge Donald Johnson on Monday, who is considering whether to allow the enforcement of the ban.

    The U.S. Supreme Court's decision overturning Roe v. Wade on June 24 triggered a Louisiana law that immediately outlawed abortion with no exceptions for rape or incest. There are exceptions for "medically futile" pregnancies and if there is substantial risk of death or impairment to the mother.

    Joanna Wright, an attorney representing the abortion providers, said the law's ambiguity is forcing doctors into difficult situations—under one Louisiana law, providers of abortions not permissible under the law face up to 10 or 15 years in jail.
     
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    If a pregnant woman is in the country illegally does this mean they cannot be deported because of the American baby they are carrying?