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(GYM) Road to Nationals NQS Standings Week 9

Discussion in 'Alligator Alley (other sports)' started by gatornharlem, Mar 7, 2022.

  1. apkgator

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    I guess I just don't understand what you wanted or expected to gain vs where we are now.
     
  2. ETGator1

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    I want the highest NQS possible and for UF not to be sent to Auburn where the Tigers will be hosting. That's a rabid Auburn crowd that could have an impact on the regional. I don't know how I can be more clear.
     
  3. apkgator

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    And I don't know how I can be more clear....the highest possible NQS doesn't necessarily keep us out of Auburn, going to Auburn really shouldn't keep us from advancing, and ultimately being healthy and ready for postseason is simply more important than feeling good about NQS during the regular season.

    Let's use a baseball analogy. Say UF is ranked third, but in the mix to be one or two seed. Would you have your ace throw 90+ pitches in the final series trying to get a W and improve your seed? No intelligent coach would do that, because the difference between a 1-4 seed is neglible. More important to be healthy and fresh.
    Jenny has had UF well positioned all season. As I keep saying over and over, regionals should be a formality barring disaster....but if they have a disaster performance it really doesn't matter where. Heck, Ive seen countless NCAA regionals in multiple sports where a lower seed had an easier road....somewhat luck of the draw.
     
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  4. ETGator1

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    We both agreed the SECs are not important. Take time off and rest that week. Why am I not surprised that this approach doesn't please you even though it meets your objectives for regionals and nationals?

    We will have to agree to disagree on seeding as we have with the NQS all season. It's my thought that if we can lock down the 1 or 2 seed that it becomes less likely that UF will have to go to Auburn. The selection committee or whatever they are called for gymnastics could send UF to any of the host locations, but I like UF's chances better at Raleigh with the higher seed.
     
  5. manigordo

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    I too disagreed with a strategy that had overworked the top gymnasts in years past. Highest marks should not have been the priority early in the year. I praised Jenny for changing her strategy which had us peaking too early in the past. I still believe that she has done a great job with this team. She should still be resting her gymnasts by allowing the new young greats to get in more meet time. This is a well rounded team with more gymnasts able to fill in when necessary.

    It is not about you or anyone else being right or wrong. It was differences of opinion about the team we all cheer for.
     
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  6. oragator1

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    They usually pick in order of closest or preference based on the seeds.
    Given that Auburn will be last choice for everyone probably, just don’t finish fourth. Right now we look decent for that.
    My fear is that they will do what they did to us in Corvallis, and back seed based on where Auburn finishes. So if Auburn finished 6th the third seed has to go there. In that scenario they could even finish 7th and the 2 seed is screwed. Hopefully they learned from that and will play with the seeds a bit.
    But bottom line, shouldn’t matter where we go. If we can’t beat the 11th team as a three or the 12th team as a 4, that’s on us, if we are remotely who we think we are.
     
  7. apkgator

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    You are not surprised what approach doesn't please me? No idea what you are referencing.

    Why do you like our chances better in Raleigh? Our concern will essentially be over the #3 seed there. How do you know the 3 seed in Raleigh will be weaker than the one in Auburn? Not that it matters, but I'm guessing we go to Raleigh regardless. Who else gets sent there as a 3 is a total guess at present
     
  8. apkgator

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    That last paragraph is the salient point....and is a huge reason why I'm not overly concerned with being 1-3. If that's our concern we have much bigger issues.
     
  9. oragator1

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    they seed it now like basketball, so it would be the 6, 11 and 14. Though they sometimes shuffle a bit for various reasons. But that’s my point, as a 3 or 4, if we can’t beat an 11 or 12 (assuming the 5 or 6 perform well) we weren’t winning a title anyway.
     
  10. apkgator

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    Yes....we just don't know who gets slotted into those 9-12 spots just yet. And often a higher seed may in actuality be an easier path....they may be struggling and on a downward arc, injuries may have hit, etc.
    And if we somehow blow up and fall apart, it's unlikey to matter if it's at AU or Raleigh
     
  11. gatornharlem

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    I'm digging the passionate conversations here fellas! Gator Nation loves our gymnastics team and coach! And we really really really want Natty #4!! Gymnastics is brutal on the athlete's body. My ankles swell up and throb just watching the floor routines. Jenny is very aware of her student-athletes' physical limitations and their injury status. If she limits the AAs to only two of four apparatuses, she has a reason. And I'm not going to question her. Jenny is always mum on the team's injury status. As she should be. Not only is Jenny using a different strategy this year, it appears that she's also recruiting more gymnasts in order to have a larger roster. Oklahoma's coach likes to recruit gymnasts who are specialists in 1 or 2 events. Against Michigan the Sooners had no AAs and used 14 gymnasts, while Michigan had 4 AAs and used a total of 8 gymnasts. This is why every year Oklahoma never seems to have injury issues and are always peaking in post-season.
    We still have 2 road meets (SECs count as a road meet) to knock off the two 197's. So we don't need a huge score Friday. Anything above 198 will keep us in contention to overtake Oklahoma in the final NQS standings before regionals. We will be either a 1 or 2 seed. Utah can't catch us. Michigan will only move ahead of us if we don't drop our lowest counted score and they go over 198.125ish. We would only end up at the Auburn regional if we drop down to the #4 seed (almost mathematically impossible, a lot of things would need to happen) and Auburn a 5 seed. Go ahead and purchase your tickets and hotel room for Raleigh. As for the strategy of scoring big early in the season and then coasting:it's easier said than to actually do. We scored in the 197's and 196.950 because thue gymnasts weren't in top form yet and weren't sticking landings consistently. So it's not that we don't try to have the big scores early on... Michigan did begin the season on fire, but after peaking with the 198.525 midway thru they haven't reached 198 and are looking tired. I do agree that having the highest season NQS record would be nice, but breaking the NCAA team high score in the finals would include Natty #4! Also, the SEC Championships are a HUGE deal. Only the NCAA finals have a larger TV audience. Why wouldn't a gymnast not want to compete for the best team in the best conference in front of sell-out crowds every weekend while earning a degree at a top-5 university. The SECs will be 4 out of the top 7 teams in the nation competing. There's no other meet like it. It's great for recruiting. When we beat Alabama and LSU in the regular season, their fans flood social media bitching and complaining about how unfair judging gave Florida the win or lost the meet for them. But at the SECs where there are 4 judges per event they can't blame the judges for Florida winning.
     
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    They will do this - that's the policy. They only shuffle the seeds when multiple hosts would naturally fall in the same region. Which means we are not even safe from going to Auburn if we finish #1. If it's UF #1, Okla #2, Aub #7, Auburn would have to be shifted up or down 1 and since Auburn is a bus-able regional for UF...it's entirely possible/likely that the committee would send UF to Auburn and the #8 to Oklahoma. It's really not something the team can control, the chips will just fall where they fall.

    But I'm also not really sure why this is so concerning. We just had a very solid performance at Auburn and I wouldn't be surprised if we're liable to have more trouble in a dead gym at NC State. Anyway, good scheduling by Jenny to give the team practice meets at multiple possible regional sites - they should be plenty prepared when regionals roll around either way.
     
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  13. gatorjjh

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  14. ApexNC

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    Taking the family to the meet tonight. Can't wait to see the Lady Gators in person!
     
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  15. ETGator1

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    Hope you get to enjoy the Gators at their best tonight. Hope you get to watch another 198 performance even though that high of score won't be required to win the quad meet.

    I'm going to try to watch it streaming on the ESPN App/ACCNX. YouTube TV doesn't carry SECN+, but they have been allowing me to watch the + offering anyway, sometimes takes two times signing in. This will be my first attempt to watch ACCNX. I plan on trying to give it a test drive earlier in the day, keeping my fingers crossed.
     
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  16. ApexNC

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    I have not been able to access ACCNX from the ESPN app (also a YTTV subscriber). Very annoying
     
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    I'm wondering if Jenny will go for another very high road score tonight or if she will rest some of the key performers. Hoping to see some 10's tonight!
     
  18. ETGator1

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    I'm expecting a combination of performers and no 198+. It's not what I would do as you know, but it is what I predict Jenny will do.
     
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  19. ETGator1

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    just played with accx and found it let me watch fsu at gtech io softball on my 3rd attempt to enter the event. keep your fingers crossed for me. i will watch mich st at uk on sec+ if i can't get in.