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(GYM) Road to Nationals NQS Standings Week 9

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  1. Mar 7, 2022 #1
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    NQS Standings Blue indicates NCAA Season High Score Bold indicates SEC member Italics indicates Regional Host

    Rank Team NQS
    1. Oklahoma 198.080
    Ave 197.810
    High 198.475
    2. Florida 197.970
    Ave 197.786
    High 198.575
    3. Michigan 197.950
    Ave 197.789
    High 198.525
    4. Utah 197.750
    Ave 197.628
    High 198.575
    5. Alabama 197.650
    Ave 197.410
    High 198.075
    5. Auburn 197.650
    Ave 197.493
    High 198.575
    7. LSU 197.615
    Ave 197.491
    High 198.050
    8. Minnesota 197.340
    Ave 197.231
    High 198.025
    9. Kentucky 197.220
    Ave 197.050
    High 197.500
    10. California 197.170
    Ave 197.053
    High 197.575
    11. Missouri 197.015
    Ave 196.950
    High 197.650
    12. Michigan State 196.980
    Ave 196.768
    High 197.575
    12. Oregon State 196.980
    Ave 196.853
    High 197.375
    14. Denver 196.830
    Ave 196.600
    High 197.600
    15. Arizona State 196.775
    Ave 196.631
    High 197.800
    16. Ohio State 196.735
    Ave 196.378
    High 197.525
    17. UCLA 196.680
    Ave 196.588
    High 198.050
    18. Arkansas 196.645
    Ave 196.394
    High 197.200
    19. BYU 196.615
    Ave 196.415
    High 197.225
    20. Iowa 196.465
    Ave 196.330
    High 196.825
    ...
    24. Georgia 196.405
    Ave 196.008
    High 196.975
    ....
    26. North Carolina State 196.280
    Ave 195.885
    High 196.925
    ...
    31. Washington 196.160
    Ave 195.628
    High 197.275

    VT
    Rank Team RQS
    1. Michigan 49.555
    Ave 49.431
    High 49.875
    2. Florida 49.455
    Ave 49.425
    High 49.725
    3. LSU 49.430
    Ave 49.394
    High 49.500
    4. Oklahoma 49.420
    Ave 49.368
    High 49.550
    5. Utah 49.385
    Ave 49.340
    High 49.550
    6.     Auburn 49.380
    Ave 49.325
    High 49.500
    7. Minnesota 49.355
    Ave 49.334
    High 49.575
    7. Alabama 49.355
    Ave 49.273
    High 49.500
    9. Kentucky 49.315
    Ave 49.300
    High 49.450
    10. Arizona State 49.260
    Ave 49.197
    High 49.350

    UB
    1. Oklahoma 49.535
    Ave 49.533
    High 49.825
    2. Michigan 49.515
    Ave 49.492
    High 49.600
    3. Florida 49.510
    Ave 49.408
    High 49.725
    4. Alabama 49.465
    Ave 49.413
    High 49.650
    5. Auburn 49.455
    Ave 49.335
    High 49.575
    6. Utah 49.435
    Ave 49.425
    High 49.800
    7. LSU 49.420
    Ave 49.416
    High 49.500
    8. Kentucky 49.415
    Ave 49.369
    High 49.500
    9. California 49.400
    Ave 49.388
    High 49.475
    10. Minnesota 49.350
    Ave 49.331
    High 49.550

    BB
    1. Oklahoma 49.580
    Ave 49.405
    High 49.700
    2. Florida 49.550
    Ave 49.436
    High 49.700
    3. Utah 49.500
    Ave 49.350
    High 49.725
    4. Auburn 49.485
    Ave 49.408
    High 49.725
    5. Alabama 49.425
    Ave 49.350
    High 49.650
    6. LSU 49.365
    Ave 49.338
    High 49.650
    7. Michigan State 49.360
    Ave 49.258
    High 49.500
    8. Missouri 49.320
    Ave 49.281
    High 49.425
    8. Michigan 49.320
    Ave 49.292
    High 49.500
    10. Utah State 49.295
    Ave 49.085
    High 49.500

    FX
    1. Michigan 49.610
    Ave 49.575
    High 49.700
    2. Utah 49.590
    Ave 49.513
    High 49.675
    3. Minnesota 49.565
    Ave 49.538
    High 49.725
    4. Florida 49.555
    Ave 49.517
    High 49.800
    5. Oklahoma 49.550
    Ave 49.505
    High 49.675
    6. Auburn 49.490
    Ave 49.425
    High 49.800
    7. Alabama 49.465
    Ave 49.375
    High 49.700
    8. Michigan State 49.450
    Ave 49.338
    High 49.675
    9. Iowa 49.400
    Ave 49.378
    High 49.650
    10. Kentucky 49.380
    Ave 49.325
    High 49.475

    Individual Florida
    VT
    Rank Name NQS
    3. Trinity Thomas 9.950
    Ave 9.928
    High 10.000
    9. Nya Reed 9.910
    Ave 9.900
    High 9.975S
    19. Savannah Schoenherr 9.890
    Ave 9.859
    High 9.950
    26. Megan Skaggs 9.885
    Ave 9.872
    High 9.95
    135. Leanne Wong 9.820
    Ave 9.818
    High 9.900
    175. Sloane Blakely 9.795
    Ave 9.821
    High 9.950
    UB
    5. Trinity Thomas 9.935
    Ave 9.897
    High 9.975
    13. Leanne Wong 9.920
    Ave 9.867
    High 10.000
    29. Megan Skaggs 9.895
    Ave 9.886
    High 9.950
    37. Savannah Schoenherr 9.890
    Ave 9.881
    High 9.975
    81. Sloane Blakely 9.850
    Ave 9.700
    High 9.900
    BB
    3. Trinity Thomas 9.970
    Ave 9.936
    High 10.00
    26. Alyssa Baumann 9.895
    Ave 9.772
    High 9.925
    26. Sloane Blakely 9.895
    Ave 9.839
    High 9.950
    26. Megan Skaggs 9.895
    Ave 9.892
    High 9.950
    46. Leah Clapper 9.880
    Ave 9.789
    High 9.975
    51. Leanne Wong 9.875
    Ave 9.856
    High 9.950
    FX
    1. Nya Reed 9.965
    Ave 9.966
    High 10.000
    37. Leanne Wong 9.900
    Ave 9.896
    High 9.975
    44. Megan Skaggs 9.895
    Ave     9.884
    High 9.950
    70. Alyssa Baumann 9.880
    Ave 9.872
    High 9.975
    121. Sloane Blakely 9.845
    Ave 9.853
    High 10.000

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  2. Mar 7, 2022 #2
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    looking to drop 197.5750 at uk this week.
     
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    The NCAA meet is going to be as tough as I can remember and I go back the the Earnie Weaver days at the O'Dome, so many teams have stepped up their Gym programs SMH!
     
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    It will be easier if UF doesn't have to go back to Auburn in the regionals. If a 1 or 2 seed, UF should be placed in Raleigh.

    Turnabout is fair. AU is going to a tri-meet at Mich this coming weekend. Let Michigan pay a visit to AU in the regionals. What is fair for the goose is fair for the gander.
     
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    Here's some fun info on the top college gymnastics home attendance averages in the nation this year. The SEC dominates with 7 out of the top 10:
    Rank Team (SEC Member) Average Largest Home Crowd in 2022
    1. LSU 11,903 13,569
    2. Utah 11,595 13,030
    3. Alabama 9,551 10,838
    4. Auburn 9,121 9,121
    5. Florida 9,108 9,685
    6. Georgia 8,470 10,224
    7. Arkansas 4,966 10,345
    8. Oklahoma 4,926 7,478
    9. Kentucky 4,640 9,226
    10. UCLA 4,607 6,351
     
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    double check auburn. odd that average = largest.
     
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    Auburn sold out all of their home meets. Capacity is 9,121 and all 5 of their home meets' attendances have been 9,121 (45,605 total).
     
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    NQS Analysis of Top 20 and Georgia:

    Scores in BOLD can no longer be dropped.

    1. Oklahoma
    Road Score 1 198.175
    Road Score 2 198.075
    Road Score 3 197.900
    Home/Road Score 1 198.475
    Home/Road Score 2 198.200
    Home/Road Score 3 198.050
    Current NQS: 198.080
    Oklahoma took over the #1 national ranking on Friday after scoring a 198.475, which ranks only 11th in all of NCAA history (trying?). By following that with another road 198 on Sunday, Oklahoma extended its lead and will now set eyes on breaking the all-time NQS record of 198.120, which a team called Oklahoma set in 2018. A score of 198.125 this week would do it.

    Oklahoma is in some danger of losing its #1 ranking to Florida this week depending on how things go so will also aim to score 198.375 (which is, I guess, a score we treat as realistic now) to clinch the #1 ranking for next Monday even if Florida goes 199.

    2. Florida
    Road Score 1 198.575
    Road Score 2 197.775
    Road Score 3 197.575
    Home/Road Score 1 198.250
    Home/Road Score 2 198.150
    Home/Road Score 3 198.100
    Current NQS:     197.970
    Florida moved up to #2 this week after its record-breaking 198.575 tie with Auburn, the highest two-team score ever, the 4th-highest team score in college gymnastics ever, and yada yada yada it’s fine. I’m fine. Because Florida still has a 197.5 to drop, the possibility of moving up looks somewhat semi-realistic, if not completely under Florida’s control. Florida would need at least a 198.150 this week to have a chance at taking over #1, and then it would be down to how well Oklahoma does.

    3. Michigan
    Road Score 1 198.525
    Road Score 2 198.025
    Road Score 3 197.950
    Home/Road Score 1 197.950
    Home/Road Score 2 197.925
    Home/Road Score 3 197.900
    Current NQS: 197.950
    Following a score of 197.900 in losing to Oklahoma, Michigan lost the top spot in the rankings and dropped to #3. So FYI, 197.900 is bad now. Michigan cannot catch Oklahoma this week but could end up flip-flipping with Florida depending on how the week goes since the two are quite close right now. Florida has the smoother route to improving its NQS because of that 197.575 to drop compared to Michigan’s 197.900 to drop, so that’s mostly up to Florida.

    A 198.225 for Michigan would ensure staying ahead of Utah even if Utah does another 198.575.

    4. Utah
    Road Score 1 197.950
    Road Score 2 197.750
    Road Score 3 197.275
    Home/Road Score 1 198.575
    Home/Road Score 2 198.000
    Home/Road Score 3 197.775
    Current NQS:     197.750
    One of those cool things happened this week where Utah scored 198.575 and is now in a weaker ranking situation than last week, more vulnerable to being passed by Auburn. The potential to get rid of that lowly 197.275 does allow Utah a glimmer of a chance to challenge Michigan and Florida this week, but it’s going to take quite a score since there’s a fair deficit right now. Anything less than 198.275, and Utah can’t move up.

    Because Utah has a one-tenth lead on Auburn right now and both have very similar NQS situations (a peak of 198.575, a 197.2 to drop this week), Utah will be aiming—at worst—to stay within five tenths of Auburn’s score this week to retain the #4 ranking.

    5. Auburn
    Road Score 1 197.750
    Road Score 2 197.750
    Road Score 3 197.250
    Home/Road Score 1 198.575
    Home/Road Score 2 197.925
    Home/Road Score 3 197.575
    Current NQS: 197.650
    A 198.575 (good?) on Friday, followed by a 197.750 on Sunday, allowed Auburn to leapfrog LSU and move into 5th place in a tie with Alabama. Because Alabama is idle this weekend, any improvement on that 197.250 road score would allow Auburn to move out of this tie and ahead of Alabama, while a 197.700 would ensure that LSU cannot pass and that Auburn retains at least the #5 ranking regardless of what any other team does.

    FYI, there’s no need to do a tiebreak right now because rankings are nothing until they matter, but if we did need it, the tiebreak is the highest score that isn’t counting for NQS, which for Auburn is 197.525 and Alabama is 197.500, so Auburn would win the tiebreak.

    5. Alabama
    Road Score 1 198.000
    Road Score 2 197.600
    Road Score 3 197.125
    Home/Road Score 1 198.075
    Home/Road Score 2 197.875
    Home/Road Score 3 197.650
    Current NQS:     197.650
    Alabama’s double-198 weekend, which were just the fifth and sixth 198s in all of Alabama history (and that remains surprising to me because…Alabama) moved the team up from 7th into a tie with Auburn for 5th. Now, Alabama does not compete this coming weekend, so we know that Alabama will stay at 197.650 in next Monday’s rankings and that Alabama’s maximum final NQS for the season is 197.840.

    This makes Alabama vulnerable to being dropped back to 7th in the rankings next week, but we’ll see if the move to rest while everyone else pushes for another score will pay off in championship season.

    7. LSU
    Road Score 1 197.825
    Road Score 2 197.625
    Road Score 3 197.200
    Home/Road Score 1 198.050
    Home/Road Score 2 197.975
    Home/Road Score 3 197.450
    Current NQS: 197.615
    LSU’s meet against Kentucky ended in semi-controversy this week as a beam cap malfunction allowed Kentucky a redo at the end of the rotation, and the hit redo gave Kentucky the win. Also there weren’t any 10s. Did the memo not make it to Louisiana?

    Moving ahead of idle Alabama will be the main goal for LSU this week in its home finale, requiring a 197.650. Catching Auburn is a possibility but will be mostly dependent on Auburn’s performance since LSU’s peak NQS after this week is 197.735, while Auburn’s is much higher at 197.915.

    8. Minnesota
    Road Score 1 197.850
    Road Score 2 197.125
    Road Score 3 196.500
    Home/Road Score 1 198.025
    Home/Road Score 2 197.650
    Home/Road Score 3 197.575
    Current NQS: 197.340
    A 197.850 away score in losing to Utah allowed Minnesota to move back into the top 8 this week. Right now, the top 7 teams look safely in the top 7, so everyone else is vying for the #8 spot and the lone remaining #2 seed at regionals. Minnesota doesn’t have a lot of room to improve NQS this week since that road 196 can’t go until the conference championship but definitely has the inside track for that #8 spot overall. The only way Minnesota isn’t #8 in next Monday’s rankings is if Cal racks up back-to-back huge scores on Friday and Sunday.

    9. Kentucky
    Road Score 1 197.500
    Road Score 2 197.150
    Road Score 3 196.700
    Home/Road Score 1 197.450
    Home/Road Score 2 197.450
    Home/Road Score 3 197.350
    Current NQS: 197.220
    Kentucky’s 197.500 victory at LSU was a road season high and allowed the team to move ahead of Cal and into 9th place. While 9th place is not a top-2 seeding, the 8 and 9 teams go to the same regional and the same semifinal within that regional, so it’s essentially the same thing. Looking at the current setup and the strength of those 1-2 seeds in most regionals, the 8-9 spots will be absolutely coveted by everyone else. Kentucky is, however, vulnerable this week in its home finale since those home scores are all very close to the high score that’s dropped. Even with a season high, Kentucky would still only go up to 197.250.

    10. Cal
    Road Score 1 197.200
    Road Score 2 196.925
    Road Score 3 196.850
    Home/Road Score 1 197.575
    Home/Road Score 2 197.525
    Home/Road Score 3 197.350
    Current NQS: 197.170
    Cal dropped from 8th to 10th this week after a 197.200 at UCLA—nonetheless a road high for the season—and will be looking to use next weekend’s two-meet affair to reestablish a spot in that 8-9 zone. At Friday’s away meet, Cal will aim for 197.275, which will ensure moving ahead of Kentucky for 9th regardless of what Kentucky scores. Depending on how the first meet goes, Cal may also have a shot at Minnesota at Sunday’s home meet, but we won’t know until after Friday.

    11. Missouri
    Road Score 1 197.225
    Road Score 2 196.875
    Road Score 3 196.850
    Home/Road Score 1 197.650
    Home/Road Score 2 197.350
    Home/Road Score 3 196.775
    Current NQS: 197.015
    Missouri is the first team in the hierarchy that is guaranteed to count a 196 (everyone in the top 10 has only 198s and 197s in bold), which is starting to put a bit of a cap on how high Missouri can go. With a season high this week, Missouri would be at an NQS of 197.190, which is probably not going to move any higher than 11th.

    The main goal will be to retain this ranking spot, which requires a 197.050. Missouri is still somewhat vulnerable to being dropped out of the top 12 since all the teams ranked 12-15 have a chance to pass, but Missouri has control of the situation, and that low 197 looks attainable at this point in the year.

    12. Oregon State
    Road Score 1 197.150
    Road Score 2 196.675
    Road Score 3 196.575
    Home/Road Score 1 197.375
    Home/Road Score 2 197.275
    Home/Road Score 3 197.225
    Current NQS:     196.980
    Oregon State finally has an NQS and jumped into a tie for 12th place this week with a mid-196 that’s nonetheless still not quite the kind of score the team wants to count. But because Oregon State has nothing in the 196s that is yet in bold, moving up still looks attainable. Anything 196.775+ this week gives the Beavs a shot at Missouri, though that’s mostly going to be up to Missouri’s score. Now, what about the Yanish injury situation…

    12. Michigan State
    Road Score 1 196.975
    Road Score 2 196.850
    Road Score 3 196.775
    Home/Road Score 1 197.575
    Home/Road Score 2 197.425
    Home/Road Score 3 196.875
    Current NQS:     196.980
    Michigan State kept its ranking up with another huge home score, going 197.575 to stay in the top 12. What MSU doesn’t have yet is an away 197, which every other team in the top 16 has, so that should be the goal in Kentucky on Friday. Right now, Michigan State and Oregon State are both tied and both have exactly the same peak NQS after this week should they both score season highs, so both look about as capable as the other of breaking the tie and moving into sole possession of 12th.

    14. Denver
    Road Score 1 197.600
    Road Score 2 197.075
    Road Score 3 196.625
    Home/Road Score 1 197.000
    Home/Road Score 2 196.850
    Home/Road Score 3 196.600
    Current NQS: 196.830
    Denver has somehow managed to withstand the fact that every single gymnast on the entire team has suffered a season-ending injury (Glynn the latest to join the list) and still got a 197 on Sunday. The goal score for Sunday’s home quad will be 196.800 as that will ensure that Denver stays in the top 16 next Monday regardless of what home 198s anyone else might do.

    15. Arizona State
    Road Score 1 197.375
    Road Score 2 196.600
    Road Score 3 196.550
    Home/Road Score 1 197.800
    Home/Road Score 2 197.075
    Home/Road Score 3 196.275
    Current NQS: 196.775
    Arizona State has a higher peak NQS than Denver does this coming weekend so will semi-relish its chances to gain a spot. While it would take a 197.550 to guarantee, any kind of 197 probably gives ASU a good look. But the major consideration this week will be fending off UCLA and clinching an evening spot at the Pac-12 Championship, which would take a 196.750 for Arizona State to seal.

    16. Ohio State
    Road Score 1 197.525
    Road Score 2 196.900
    Road Score 3 196.675
    Home/Road Score 1 197.075
    Home/Road Score 2 196.575
    Home/Road Score 3 196.450
    Current NQS: 196.735
    Ohio State managed a critical huge road score over the weekend, which moved the team into the top 16, the essential cutoff for being seeded at regionals. The next goal will be a 197.125 in Friday’s home finale, which would serve to retain this spot in the top 16 for another week. That tri-meet with Cal and Pitt will be one to watch because all three are in position limbo somewhere with very clear score goals.

    17. UCLA
    Road Score 1 196.850
    Road Score 2 196.300
    Road Score 3 195.475
    Home/Road Score 1 198.050
    Home/Road Score 2 197.650
    Home/Road Score 3 197.125
    Current NQS: 196.680
    UCLA’s ranking did not change this week despite a 198 because…road scores. That also means that UCLA doesn’t have too much control at this weekend’s home finale with a peak NQS of 196.865 even if they score another 198—lower than the peaks of all the teams currently ranked in the top 16. UCLA’s quest for a seeded position (which all the top teams also want, no one wants UCLA lurking unseeded in their regional semifinal) will be based almost entirely on getting a big road score at Pac-12s, likely from the afternoon session unless Arizona State puts up a bad one this week.

    18. Arkansas
    Road Score 1 196.800
    Road Score 2 196.800
    Road Score 3 196.475
    Home/Road Score 1 197.200
    Home/Road Score 2 197.050
    Home/Road Score 3 196.100
    Current NQS: 196.645
    Arkansas finally figured out bars at Sunday’s meet, but because the other scores didn’t exactly cooperate, the total remained stuck in the 196s. After this week, Arkansas will have a peak NQS of 196.865, which is exactly the same peak number as UCLA (this UCLA South thing is really getting out of hand) as both teams will try to scramble over each other to see if there’s a spot in the top 16 for one of them. Or both.

    19. BYU
    Road Score 1 196.575
    Road Score 2 196.575
    Road Score 3 196.450
    Home/Road Score 1 197.225
    Home/Road Score 2 196.775
    Home/Road Score 3 196.700
    Current NQS: 196.615
    BYU dropped from 14th to 19th this week because of a (gasp) 196.450. With a peak NQS of 196.720, BYU cannot get back into the top 16 this week but will still be looking for a big home number that could set up a last-minute push at the conference championships. But it’s starting to look like a tough path.


    20. Iowa
    Road Score 1 196.825
    Road Score 2 196.475
    Road Score 3 196.425
    Home/Road Score 1 196.825
    Home/Road Score 2 196.375
    Home/Road Score 3 196.225
    Current NQS: 196.465
    Iowa got back to the 196.8s this week, which is not a huge number given the national situation but is just what Iowa needed to remove the threat of getting pushed down to the play-in meets, which are allegedly for the teams ranked 29-36 unless we have any last-year shenanigans. This should be enough buffer now.

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    24. Georgia
    Road Score 1 196.975
    Road Score 2 196.800
    Road Score 3 196.200
    Home/Road Score 1 196.600
    Home/Road Score 2 196.300
    Home/Road Score 3 196.125
    Current NQS: 196.405
    Georgia didn’t exactly put up huge totals at its 2 meets over the weekend but has now *probably* done enough to ensure escaping the play-in meets with this NQS.

    I‘d say everyone below Georgia should still be at least vaguely concerned about getting pushed down to the Wednesday Sadness.
     
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    On this week's GymCastic podcast, there's lots of talk about the Gators. And if regional selection was held today, where the Gators would end up and the seeded teams in their regional. Plus lots of Trinity talk regarding returning for her 5th year:emoji_fingers_crossed:...
     
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    N.C. State in Raleigh. It's now a quad meet with,N.C. State, Rutgers, Penn and the Gators. I imagine Jenny will limit the AAs (Trinity, Megan, Leanne and Sloane) to just a couple of events each in order to be 100% at the SECs the following week. But I'm confident we will still hit 198+. In the last two meets I've seen more fire in the Gators' eyes and more swag in their leaps. Beating the #1 team-and looking dominant in the victory- followed by breaking the NCAA record for highest visiting team score in front of a loud hating crowd will do that. Speaking of "loud crowd" did anybody notice the loud and obnoxious music Auburn played when we were on Beam?
     
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    Caught a lot of flak earlier for saying get our best NQS scores out of the way and then coast on this meet the week before the SECs. Well, UF needs another good road NQS. Maybe we let our all-arounders compete in 3 events to make sure we get to 198. I'd sure like to see UF end up with the 1 seed while chasing the highest NQS in history.
     
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    The "flak" was because the end goal of a title is still more important than the 1 seed and chasing the highest NQS. Odds are pretty good we are in Raleigh be it as a 1 seed or a 3 seed....little difference
     
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    You don't know any of that to be true, just speculation. The seed with an easiest pass to nationals is Oklahoma who is hosting because Illinois pulled out of hosting late. I'd rather feel certain UF doesn't have to go back to Auburn. UF needs that last high NQS road score. If UF had coasted one meet less earlier, the Gators would be coasting and resting this week before the SECs.

    The national title while the #1 goal can be an elusive thing and especially so this season with so many top teams. The other goals that your view apparently blows off are important too: SEC Regular Season Champion, SEC Tournament Champion, and individual accolades for the gymnasts.

    I have opined here that Trinity Thomas is one of the top gymnasts in the world, equal to or better than Suni Lee. However, Suni Lee is the gymnast that has the attention in college women's gymnastics as she has the all-around stats to stake that claim. Don't take my word for it, go to YouTube and see for yourself.

    Just curious, will this season be a failure to you if UF does not win the national title?
     
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    Likely the Gators are coasting and resting to prep for SEC's this week. And still, who cares if we go to Auburn...the 3rd and 4th seeds should be an issue in either place. If they are we have a different problem altogether. I prefer Raleigh, and that's the likely destination, but we will survive AU as well.

    For the most part I do not care about the SEC tourney....that applies to gym, softball, soccer, hoops, baseball. Only matter if you need them to get into NCAA's. Otherwise, good luck and don't get injured.

    I do value regular season titles. Apparently Jenny does too, she's won several in a row.

    I'm not sure what individual accolades you are looking for. Trinity gets gymnast of the week regularly (over Lee). Lee has acclaim because of the olympics....period. Nothing Trinity does during the regular season will remotely change that. I certainly don't want to risk her health during the regular season for some silly accolade/attention. That would be beyond mindless.

    I will NEVER be disappointed in any team for not winning a title. Especially one in a sport like gymnastics where judging comes into play. That would be patently absurd. But a title is far and away the biggest goal (second would be SEC season title) of every gymnastics team.
    The natty is what every single person in that locker room is pointed toward, without question. Everything they do over the course of the season is done with that end goal in mind. The goal certainly is not to be the #1 overall seed, you really don't even gain anything. Seeding only matters to help ease /assure a path to nationals......UF has largely taken care of business in that regard. The roster management for the season has been masterful IMO, UF is well positioned, key components are healthy as possible, and the majority of the roster is sharp and gotten quality match experience.
    Cannot ask for much more at this juncture.
     
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    We, all righty then, UF should get that last big road NQS score to compete for the highest national goal and score and rest at the SECs while letting everyone else use up their ammunition on a tournament with far less meaning than regionals and nationals. To me, the meet at NC State is more important than the SECs so we can at least agree on something.

    You were wrong to give me flak for understanding the importance of the NQS as the season progressed. I resented you doing that then and I resent you doing it still today.
     
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    no one has ever said NQS isn’t important. The debate is whether putting in all that energy to finish third vs. fourth ffor example is worth it. In regionals the one seed has the 8 and 9 seeds, the 4 seed has the 5 12 and thirteen. So as a four or five you would have to get beat by the 5 and 12, as. 1 it would be the 8 and 9. It’s almost better to be the 4 or 5. And any spot we land in, someone outside the top 8 has to beat us.
    The only thing that matters this time around is the idea of getting sent to Auburn. But even then, if they are the five and the four is forced to go there, or 3/6 etc, you would have to get beat by someone outside the top 10 to not advance to nationals. And Auburn could still end up top 4 and make it all moot.
    So busting our tails for one spot in NQS isn’t worth it. If we fail, wherever we go, it’s on us and no one else. Being healthy and coming into form is far more important than one or two seed lines, that’s the lesson Jenny took from the last few years. We were the one seed last year and too banged up to capitalize on it.
    As far as expecting a national championship, there is no sport in any year where I expect one or would consider a season a failure without one. Way too many variables in any given year.
     
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    That's what you don't seem to get, the flak wasn't that NQS has value...the flak was over the how/when to achieve it. And of course, the fact that UF was going to be fine regarding NQS, and that some fiaxation with being #1 or #2 was unimportant in comparison to the health and readiness of the team for postseason. Myself and others have been pointing it out all year.

    As has been said multiple times....what is gained by being #1 vs #2. Conversely, if we reach #1 by riding Trinity Thomas and other key components too hard....we could be tired/injured/lacking experienced depth come crunch time. So then it's congratulations on the 1 seed, here's your 5th place trophy.
    Barring a disaster of epic proportion UF will advance out of regionals, regardless of site or seed. I just want us healthy and ready for the finals
     
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    Nobody could have seen the season changing ankle sprains that Trinity Thomas received on her last warmup at Alabama last season. The team wasn't spent from over work. It was an unfortunate injury. Given the lack of depth last season, I still find it remarkable that the Gators pulled together and found a way to finish 4th even with 3 falls on the beam.

    UF should earn the right to not be sent back to Auburn where the Tigers will be hosting. Get the big score this week and then coast on the SECs. UF already has the regular season SEC championship. That is plenty. Focus on regionals and nationals after going to Raleigh this week to get a high NQS road score.
     
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    You'll have to excuse me for wanting more than you do and have during the season.
     
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    There is someone really close to the team on the insider board, out of respect for the privacy of info there I won’t go into details, but our injuries and nicks went well beyond Trinity last year. We were beat up by nationals, which is why Jenny changed strategy, and why I agreed it was worth a shot this year. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work, but good coaches adapt and learn and she is trying to do that. So I support her, and have said all year I won’t second guess it if it doesn’t pan out.
    If you are “proven” right, we are no worse off than we have been the last 5 years or so, but at least she is trying to find a way over the hump. That’s all we can ask.
    JMO.
     
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