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  1. gaterzfan

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    The cost of Biden's border crises" aka "BBC". Just issue more debt to cover the cost.

    Biden Wants To Give Other Countries $1 Billion To Tackle Migrant Crisis (msn.com)

    "The president's proposed 2025 fiscal year budget requests Congress approval for $405 million to hire 1,300 more federal Border Patrol agents; $239 million to hire 1,000 additional U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) officers to stop fentanyl and other contraband from entering the U.S.; funding to keep U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE's) 34,000 existing detention beds; $1 billion for aid to Central America; and nearly $1 billion to address the backlog of more than 2.4 million pending cases in U.S. immigration courts.

    It also proposes $755 million to hire an additional 1,600 asylum officers to facilitate timely immigration cases' dispositions; $100 million for Homeland Security investigations/disruptions to transnational criminal organizations and drug traffickers; and $849 million for cutting-edge detection technology at ports of entry."

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    "The money proposed for Central America is part of Biden's commitment to invest $4 billion in the region over four years, including supporting programs to advance economic prosperity and regional security."

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    "Another $35 million in additional targeted funding for regional migration management would be reserved in the budget, in addition to $25 million for the IDB's Migration Grant Facility to support integration efforts for migrants and host communities."
     
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  2. GatorJMDZ

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    Remind me how much of Trump's wall Mexico paid for?
     
  3. mdgator05

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    And your alternative to spending more on the border is...to spend more on the border.
     
  4. VAg8r1

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    Maybe it's just me but it seems that reducing the incentive to migrate to the US border in the first place by providing aid to countries from which the migrants originated would be even more effective at addressing than problem at the border than simply spending more on security although both are essential components to a solution to address the problem. In addition to the Biden bipartisan proposal it would also be rational although very unlikely at this point to include an expanded guest worker provision to address the problem of migrants trying to enter the US primarily for economic reasons.
     
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  5. enviroGator

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    On ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
     
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  6. 1990Gator

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    if they don't work, why this:

    Fence reinstalled around Capitol building ahead of Biden's State of the Union
     
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  7. gatormonk

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  8. Gator515151

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  9. AzCatFan

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    Walls and fences are defensible positions. If they are manned, they mark a spot where you can mount a defense against a force that wants to invade. If they are unmanned, they are useless. If there is overwhelming force, like during Jan 6, where the same exact fences were in place around the Capitol, the wall/fence will fall. How fast depends upon the disparity between offending and defending forces. The fence on Jan 6 bought precious minutes to help evacuate the Capitol. But as Jan 6 has shown, the fence alone didn't stop a single person from breaching.

    A fence around a building is also completely different than a 2,000 mile wall. Israel had a much shorter wall of about 450 miles. Tell me again how well that worked to keep anyone out?
     
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  10. VAg8r1

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    You're comparing proverbial apples and oranges rather than apples with apples. Barriers including fences are most effective when there are a significant number of security personnel combined with the fence. It's much easier and less costly to provide personnel for a couple of hundred yards of fence such as that surrounding the Capitol intended to address a temporary situation than it would be provide sufficient personnel along hundreds of miles of fences along the Southern border. While any border wall/fence would reduce unauthorized border crossings to some extent to significantly reduce such crossings would require the stationing of tens of thousands of additional Border Patrol agents or other security personnel along the fence or wall.

    This is the fence built around the Capitol at the time of Biden's inauguration in 2021. Note the National Guard troops. Now imagine the cost of that many security personnel along hundreds of miles of a fence along the Southern border. Even a tenth of the number would be incredibly expensive.
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    This poor girl's family is vile. Posing with Trump with big smiles on their faces while the orange buffoon holds a picture of her he signed, for Pete's sake.
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    Have to wonder about how many people he interviewed before getting the desired response.
     
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    Much to the dismay of many, we don't make policy decisions based on anecdotes. The people who look at this stuff seriously will look at things like the crime rate among immigrants compared to the population as a whole. If they commit crimes at a higher rate, then we absolutely should be looking to make changes. If they commit crimes at a lesser rate, then crime incidents alone shouldn't make us change our stance on immigration. In theory - more immigrants would bring our overall crime rate down if they their crime rate is lower.

    If the expectation is zero crime from any immigrant then the only way to achieve that is to not allow any immigrants into the country. That isn't going to meaningfully make the country any safer though.
     
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  18. gator95

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    We make policy decisions on anecdotes all the time. We did it during Covid, we are doing it for DEI now. If you think it's ok to be letting unvetted people into our country, then there isn't a need for further discussion.
     
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  19. gator95

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    IF the US knew the Cuban person was a known violent criminal before coming to the US then yes we made a mistake. Letting any violent criminal to voluntarily come into the US is stupid. So not a good analogy by you.
     
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