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RFK Jr.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Jun 20, 2023.

  1. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-ne...wding-out-its-coverage-trumps-gop-challengers
     
  2. VAg8r1

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    If RFK, Jr.'s last name wasn't Kennedy and he wasn't the son of one of the most beloved Democratic politicians in the last 100 years his candidacy would have the same seriousness as that of Lyndon LaRouche when LaRouche was running against Bill Clinton for the Democratic nomination in 1996.
     
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  3. duggers_dad

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    Given that there are no viruses, anti-vax is the only sensible position.

    Let’s turn a pejorative into a positive!
     
  4. duggers_dad

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    Boy, could we have used him in 2020!

    “Civilization grows more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary."

    — H.L. Mencken —
     
  5. okeechobee

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    I'm curious if you have a personal beef with a Fox News exec or something they did to you? It's an honest question out of concern. You without fail hit Fox News 4 or 5 times daily and are clearly obsessed with them. I'm not saying you don't have a good reason, but a large percentage of your posts loop in a negative about Fox News in some way. Yes, I know they have a GOP bent, but that's not a secret. I'm just curious what about Fox News bothers you so much that you bring them up in almost every thread? I've watched it here for months, thinking to myself "okay, maybe he will stop", but you can't keep Fox News out of your posts. The obsession is very transparent. I strongly dislike MSNBC, but I give them very little attention in my posts. Does this mean that you secretly love Fox News, but want everybody here to think you hate them, so you oversell the disdain? I promise this is not intended as a personal attack. It's like clockwork though. Once or twice a week, ok, but man, it's like the main theme of your posts. I'm just trying to figure it out.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  6. duggers_dad

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    Seems to me that FOX is busily purging its most conservative elements.
     
  7. jhenderson251

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    I have personal beef with Fox News for weaponizing right-wing political propaganda for their immense profit at the expense of America as a whole.
     
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  8. rivergator

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    Valid question. I do reference Fox fairly often. I'm sure it's not nearly 4 or 5 times a day. I only average a few posts more than a day. But I do look at Fox (and CNN) a couple of times a day. (Wash Post and NYT often, but less often.)
    And the reason I quote Fox here is simple: They are the voice of conservative America. Not only is it the primary news source for Republicans, the case can be made that the GOP follows Fox as much as Fox follows the GOP.
    If you want to understand why conservatives believe what they do (and I do want to understand) you have to pay attention to Fox.
    And while CNN is the primary news source for Democrats, CNN and Fox are not mirror images of each other.

    BTW - while I used to often be in a place that had Fox and CNN on TVs without audio at night, I seldom see any of the Fox broadcast anymore. 99 percent of what I know about what it does comes from its website and liberal watchdogs like Media Matters.
     
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  9. okeechobee

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    Thanks for the detailed honest answer, but I think you may be wrong about Fox News being the mouthpiece for conservatism. Obviously, they are the largest legacy media organization with a conservative bent, but legacy media is becoming more and more irrelevant by the hour. Fox News likely put the nail in their own coffin by firing Tucker Carlson or should I say vastly accelerated their inevitable demise. All legacy media (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) are being marginalized and will eventually be an afterthought. Sure they'll have the elderly population for a few more years, who don't know how to operate a smart phone or computer to access content, but that population and viewership is dwindling.

    I would wager more than 50% of conservatives now get the majority of their news and opinion from non-legacy news sources. Podcasts, social media, online print, etc etc. The only time I find myself watching Fox News is if it's in a YouTube video and they are showing Congressional testimony or a press conference. Very rarely will I subject myself to listening to more than 2 or 3 minutes of Mark Levin. Almost never, in fact. I suspect there are quite a few conservatives out there like me who don't pay any attention to Fox News. Also, Newsmax has eaten into a lot of what's left of the legacy media market for conservatism.

    I suppose that's why I posed the question to you, because Fox News has become more and more irrelevant the past few years as a mouthpiece for conservatism. I don't think they'll be able to replace a Tucker Carlson either, so their decline is accelerating. Most of the truly talented nowadays does their own thing online.
     
  10. rivergator

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    From what I've read, Fox has a lost a little of its rightwing domination. But there's still no other source that comes close. And it is interesting that as extreme right, as dedicated as Fox is to bad stuff about the left ... you think it's losing influence because it's not far right enough. Is that right?
     
  11. duggers_dad

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    One day people are going to call MSNBC right wing.
     
  12. okeechobee

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    Losing influence because younger, post-boomer generations are ignoring legacy media for the most part.
     
  13. rivergator

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    But you pointed out they lost viewers after they fired Carlson. That's not a matter of ignoring 'legacy' media. That was because Fox lost its most radical host. So they went to more extreme far right sites like Newsmax.
    There were also plenty of reports of Fox viewers fleeing for Newsmax after Fox called Arizona for Biden and then didnt push the fraud myth as much as some Fox viewers wanted.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    Carlson is far from radical. He’s just the right of the world of crazies in the media.
     
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  15. cocodrilo

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    You've got it wrong, there was a virus, even Trump said so (and told Bob Woodward privately how deadly it was), but like Trump said, it would "just disappear."

    Poof! You want proof?

    Trump said so!
     
  16. duggers_dad

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    Irony: you’ve had 2 + 3 Trump vaccines!
     
  17. cocodrilo

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    Just for the fun of it. There was no virus. It had disappeared!
     
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  18. duggers_dad

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    Trump was right about one thing: he said that if people stopped testing, Covid would go away. The test was the only thing that sustained the perception of a pandemic.
     
  19. cocodrilo

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    Along with a few million people dying.
     
  20. duggers_dad

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    Of age-old causes falsely attributed to a virus.
     
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