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RFK Jr campaign accuses DNC of being undemocratic, demands assurances that every Dem's vote counts

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by okeechobee, Sep 12, 2023.

  1. okeechobee

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    These are pretty draconian measures by the DNC to ensure Biden gets the nomination. You’d expect stuff like this in Russia, but not here in the United States. It definitely doesn’t present or manifest strength. I’m not sure what they are so worried about? Isn’t Joe Biden the most popular candidate? I can understand the not debating part, but fixing the party rules to make it impossible for Biden to be primaried is undemocratic.

    RFK Jr campaign accuses DNC of being undemocratic, demands assurances that every Dem's vote counts | Fox News
     
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  2. uftaipan

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    I can’t say I disagree in principle with a political party making sure it has a nominee that best reflects its values, balanced against greatest chances of success in a general election. Primaries and caucuses are just recommendations from the party faithful who care enough to vote. There are traditions but no laws governing how parties are to choose their nominee.

    Personally, I think the GOP should use every lawful means to keep Trump off the ballot. And when he throws a tantrum about starting a third party, tell him “Go start your party, and go [do some physically impossible to] yourself!”
     
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  3. WarDamnGator

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  4. obgator

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    Touch his toes?
     
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  5. ajoseph

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    To Kennedy’s credit, he keeps hearing from the Tuckers and MAGAs of the world how wonderful and popular he is. He doesn’t appreciate he has such little standing with the Democrats.

    That said, I’d love to see a Democratic primary. While I see Kennedy as a MAGA shill, I’d like to see how someone like Manchin fares across the Country.
     
  6. mrhansduck

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    Not that they're not fair discussions, but I'm not sure how much of these complaints are new or have anything to do with RFK, Jr. The "super-delegate" issues were raised in prior primaries. I could be wrong but don't believe their existence changed the outcome of the primaries. As another example, I don't think either party has ever organized and hosted a primary debate when that party had an incumbent in the White House seeking a second term. I'm not necessarily against that though. It could be good for the party, although presumably Biden could just skip them since he has such a big lead like we're seeing on the other side.
     
  7. uftaipan

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    I was thinking to self-reflect on one’s personal flaws and room for growth.
     
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  8. okeechobee

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    Great! So why the need to stack the deck against him if he’s so unpopular and has such little standing with Democrats?
     
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  9. okeechobee

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    They are going much further this cycle than in previous ones. Have you read the proposed rules?
     
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    He is polling at 8% and falling. He’s not a viable candidate.
     
  11. mrhansduck

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    I haven't read all of the rules or proposed rules. The Fox News article reflects that the RFK campaign is criticizing the "creation of a new class of superdelegates", the refusal of the DNC to host primary debates, and its support for and consultation with the Biden campaign. I don't know the details about the superdelegate change, but those those sorts of complaints aren't new. The article also indicates that the RFK, Jr. campaign opposes the re-ordering of the primaries. Can't say I have a strong opinion about that, but people have been arguing for some time that it makes little sense to start off in Iowa, for example.
     
  12. okeechobee

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    Why even have a primary if you’re going to rig the rules to ensure one candidate gets the nod? You’d insult your voter’s intelligence much less if their vote counted for something. Regardless of how anyone feels about Trump, the GOP approach in 2016 and for 2024 is the correct approach for the long term. When you begin disenfranchising your own party members, that will eventually have to be answered for. The GOP were wise to resist that urge in 2016, just as they are for 2024. The Democrats not being able to have an open primary will bite them again just as it did in 2016.
     
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    Interesting you left 2020 off the list? Why? Because democrats are doing the same thing republicans did in 2020 ... favoring the incumbent who has the best chance of winning?
     
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  14. okeechobee

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    Unfortunately, the thread is not about his polling numbers. Looks like typical lib obfuscation. Nobody wants to talk about Nazi-esque Democratic primary.
     
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    Why do political parties need to be democratic? I couldn't care less how dems/pubs choose their nominees. Actually, that is not true. I wish they'd just pick 'em & spare us all this primary bullshit.
     
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    Right wingers love to push for RFK
     
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    The parties are private clubs. They can choose their candidate however it suits them.
     
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    He can't seem to address that issue lol
     
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    That’s business. But you have to be careful what you wish for when you overtly or covertly support a candidate in the opposing party for no more noble a reason than belief that it will give your candidate a better chance in the general. Some people learned that to their sorrow in 2016.
     
  20. uftaipan

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    Are you so unfamiliar with the concept of Realism? Because the strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must. The DNC can do as it likes. RFK jr. has no actual recourse other than to whine and get others to whine on his behalf on message boards.