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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by rivergator, May 31, 2024.

  1. gatordavisl

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    You're whining about a scumbag criminal who earned a guilty verdict and lecturing others that they shouldn't do the same in the future.
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  2. AndyGator

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    And Trump still illegally has unclassified documents and is still obstructing justice. Clinton, Biden and Pence did neither of that.
     
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  3. gatordavisl

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    Goodness gracious . . . first, you don't have a clue what my worldview is; certainly not from a one-sentence post about justice being served against a career criminal. Your point about slavery is just bizarre and out of place.

    Who is hiding behind a court ruling? The evidence speaks for itself, not to mention all the other criminal things Trump has done.

    Your point about a black man convicted of rape in the South is way out from left field, ntm a flawed assumption about how I might think about it.
     
  4. ursidman

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    Nobody is saying juries are inerrant. They make mistakes- sometimes horrible mistakes but it is our system- juries are the finder of fact. You don’t like their verdict but trump had the best lawyers his promise to pay could buy. If you think former Presidents are above the law - they are not. They are not royalty or holy men. They can be held accountable.
    Their are many Dems that get prosecuted - Blagovich, Gov of Ill, Menendez, current Senator of NJ, Biden by a R-chaired committee of Congress, Cory Bush, current congressman, Hunter Biden -POTUS son, Hillary Clinton 9 times by R-chaired committee of Congress and that’s off the top of my head.
     
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  5. l_boy

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    So Trumps lawyers were so bad they couldn’t find one objective juror, in your opinion?

    Okeechobee is talking about Trump winning New York but they can’t find one objective juror.
     
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  6. ursidman

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    Well, trump’s lawyers sat Juror #2 who stated her primary sources of news were Fox News and Truth Social and yet she voted guilty 34 times. Jurors, for the most part, take the job seriously. Easy thing to do in this case against the former President who had members of Congress in the courtroom and on social media and red-in-the-face red hat wearing supporters in the street would have been to say the heck with this - I am out of here - and vote Not Guilty. But they didn’t take the easy way out.
     
  7. l_boy

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    if you break it down

    1. He clearly had sex with Stormy Daniels and Trump is the only one denying it, which makes it quite obvious he is a liar

    2. He clearly paid hush money to her - there is overwhelming evidence of that.

    3. Business records were clearly falsified.

    4. The payment was obviously made to help his campaign given the timing.

    So if you oppose the charges it objectively can’t be because he didn’t do these things, and it can’t be that they are illegal, because they are, but your position would have to be that in spite of all of the above he shouldn’t be charged because it was somewhat of a novel legal theory, and/or because it’s Donald Trump, he shouldn’t be charged.

    There is this feeling that because it’s Trump, he is just above the law, because he was president, or he is a colorful figure, or somewhere somebody did something kind of similar and got away with it.
     
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  8. mrhansduck

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  9. Gator715

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    It’s debatable if it was a campaign expenditure and a crime.
     
  10. Gator715

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    In New York City?

    yeah, almost everyone there hates Trump with the burning heat of a thousand suns.
     
  11. Gator715

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    Helps him politically, but obviously not personally.

    Nobody wants dozens of felony convictions on their resume.
     
  12. DoubleDown11

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    691,000 New York City voters voted for Trump in 2020. That's more than 22 states.
     
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  13. Gator715

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    That speaks more to the size of New York City than anything else.
     
  14. AzCatFan

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    The jury disagrees with you 34 times.
     
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  15. Gator715

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    This is mostly an all or nothing proposition.

    Most juries would probably either find not guilty on all counts or guilty on all counts.
     
  16. Gator715

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    Worth noting they requested a change of venue which was rejected.
     
  17. AzCatFan

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    And the 12 people who did sit on the jury through weeks of evidence all said guilty 34 times. And the Judge agreed. Might get overturned in appeal, but unlikely. Until that time, Trump is guilty and a convicted felon.
     
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  18. Gator715

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    Doesn’t mean they got it right
     
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    Again poster does not seem to comprehend that the jury heard the debate and evidence on this issue and all the others and every one of them concluded it was a campaign contribution and it was a crime. Kind of the actual purpose of having the trial.
     
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  20. gatorjo

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    It's totally not fair. You and Trump are both victims.
     
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