Redundant bill (left lane hogging)?

I have radar guided cruise control and I wish I could turn it off and just have regular cruise control like my older cars did. I hate the radar feature.

 

Cops are way too lenient. There are way too many people that do not know how to drive and are disobeying traffic LAWS. If you dont want tickets, repeal laws on the books.

 

Why? The old way meant you constantly had to brake and reset the cruise every time there was a speed differential (every time you came upon a slower car). New cars you just set and forget the speed and it adjusts itself based on traffic, but if you want to accelerate and pass you just hit the gas. Maybe it’s me but it’s like having that on eliminates my desire to pass as frequently. With lane keep assist it’s almost autonomous driving. Although lane keep assist has had some issues in whatever car I drive. More experience and some odd “glitches” with it has me seeing where true autonomous driving still has a ways to go, admittedly I turn that off 99% of the time now. The cruise on the other hand does a better job doing what it’s supposed to do. I see no downside at all from it.

 

I don't like that it slows me down. Without it, either the slow driver moves out of the way or I go around them before I would have slowed down. The radar is too automated for me. I'd at least like the option to turn it off. I have an S-Class which is loaded with tech, but man it's annoying. The lane keep assist is annoying, too. Damn near jerks the wheel out of my hands sometimes.

 

I just thank god that driving a car isn’t a constitutionally protected right. Before long it will all be automated and it will be glorious.

 

Yup,
The self driving jetson mobiles will make all this moot. Cars going the same speed, stress free napping. The horror!

 

It's just not the design of the cars themselves that are a factor. Florida eliminated its mandatory motor vehicle inspections decades ago. Watch some "Just Rolled In" videos on YouTube to get a sense of the condition of tires on a lot of vehicle or their brakes.Or just walk around a parking lot. I am a fanatic about vehicle maintenance...halved service intervals and I actually look forward to buying new "shoes" (tires) for my cars. Others view vehicle maintenance as an expensive inconvenience and put it off as long as possible. You also have to consider driver experience and aptitude. The car might have originally been designed to cruise at 85mph, but that might not be true in its current condition or with its driver.

Also, you have to factor in the average age of a car on US roads is 13.8 years, 11.9 years for light trucks.

https://www.bts.gov/content/average-age-automobiles-and-trucks-operation-united-states

 

If it’s not safe to drive at 85 mph, it’s likely not safe to drive at 75 mph. We can go down that rabbit hole all day. That said, most cars on the road can safely do 85 mph.

 

yep. They won’t allow you to exceed the speed limit either.

 

Every time I see a “donut spare” on a car in a parking lot I cringe.

 

I have shared this before. Many accidents happen because of slower drivers in the left lane. As for passing on the right, it gets dangerous when you expect the traffic to be slow. Truckers should never be allowed in the 3rd lane.

 

@gator_lawyer is looking at it from a different perspective. No one objects to strict enforcement when the violators are endangering persons or property. On the other hand, there are dozens of laws on the books that even very aware drivers don't know about. When SCOTUS did away with the prohibition against pretextual traffic stops in 1996, we saw a flurry of enforcement of obscure traffic laws. I was frequently double checking Florida Statutes Chapter 316 to confirm they existed.

Tint tickets got so bad I had to go purchase the same model tint meter local law enforcement uses. Most know you have to stop at the stop bar at an intersection if there is red light. It actually went to an appellate court to determine if that meant the front wheels or the entire car, including the bumper, had to be behind that line. It's the entire car, by the way, so if 2 inches of your bumper are hanging over, that's a valid traffic stop. That one is a favorite statute of DUI enforcement officers.

"Upgraded" your headlight bulbs to LED? That's illegal (and dangerous.) Tinted cover on your license plate? Probably illegal. The law: "A person may not apply or attach a substance, reflective matter, illuminated device, spray, coating, covering, or other material onto or around any license plate which interferes with the legibility, angular visibility, or detectability of any feature or detail on the license plate or interferes with the ability to record any feature or detail on the license plate."

Turn signal when changing lanes? Always? Never? The law: "...in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement."

What lawyers are objecting is not so much that these laws, obscure or not, can form the basis of a traffic stop if traffic safety is the focus. Rather that they can and are used to justify stops wholly unrelated to traffic safety to conduct narcotics (among others) investigations. The narcotics detective can just follow the car long enough and it will eventually do something wrong.

 

Lane keep isn't great sometimes, there have been times when I'm drifting to my left to pass or give a bicyclist more room on the right and the steering wheel fights me on it ... I mean, it works great 99% of the time but that 1% can be a bit dangerous.

 

In that first video, the pickup truck was clearly using the left lane to pass big rig trucks, even though the video is edited, if you look closely, he uses the left lane to pass two big rigs in the right lane while the guy in the little car is swerving all over the road and driving on the shoulder to get him around them all ... that little car caused the accident, is an idiot, and would lose his license permanently if it were up to me. Has nothing to do with left lane hogging and the pickup truck would have legally driving even under the new law proposed.

 

I agree. That accident was completely on the Camaro. I would have charged its driver with reckless driving, a criminal charge in Florida.

 

This is exactly what my issue is. It’s fighting when you are actively trying to steer your vehicle and maybe hugging a line or crossing it as an avoidance maneuver. To me it seems it could actually cause a crash by fighting driver inputs. It also did that to me in a construction zone where the lanes temporarily shift (but some phantom lines I guess were still visible), and that was where I just decided to shut that feature off. I think several of the Tesla autopilot accidents were this same sort of thing, car got confused by construction and instead of following the temporary lane shifts it went straight on into concrete barriers. For now the technology just isn’t good enough. My car of course doesn’t claim an “autopilot” feature but the issue is the same.

 

I'm sorry, but if the legislation is too difficult to enforce, then laws need to be changed or rescinded officially. When you have conflicts or convoluted laws, law enforcement takes things into their own hands, either by letting people off because they don't want to deal with it or some of the bad ones will target people based on demographics (age, race, type of car they drive, etc). This is what's wrong with the entire process, the only way to fix it is to enforce laws and do the work to get rid of the laws that don't make sense. It will never happen because it makes money for the judicial system to have a ambiguities. Too much $ in it to change.

 

It’s ok, but there was never a time so far that I wouldn’t have preferred to make the steering input myself.

 

You partially understand. No one is suggesting the legislation is too difficult to enforce. Assuming you live in Florida, you are charged with knowledge of every statute on the "books". Chapter 316 is our traffic control section and here are just the titles of its statutes. That's a lot to know and it's not all common sense. Legislators are going to legislate, it's never ending.
316.001 Short title.
316.002 Purpose.
316.003 Definitions.
316.006 Jurisdiction.
316.007 Provisions uniform throughout state.
316.0075 Operator use of commercial mobile radio services and electronic communications devices.
316.0076 Regulation and use of cameras.
316.008 Powers of local authorities.
316.0081 Request regarding traffic signals or other traffic control devices.
316.0083 Mark Wandall Traffic Safety Program; administration; report.
316.00831 Distribution of penalties collected under s. 316.0083(1)(b).
316.0085 Skateboarding; inline skating; freestyle or mountain and off-road bicycling; paintball; definitions; liability.
316.027 Crash involving death or personal injuries.
316.0271 Yellow dot critical motorist medical information program; yellow dot decal, folder, and information form.
316.061 Crashes involving damage to vehicle or property.
316.062 Duty to give information and render aid.
316.063 Duty upon damaging unattended vehicle or other property.
316.064 When driver unable to report.
316.065 Crashes; reports; penalties.
316.066 Written reports of crashes.
316.067 False reports.
316.068 Crash report forms.
316.069 State to tabulate and analyze crash reports.
316.070 Exchange of information at scene of crash.
316.071 Disabled vehicles obstructing traffic.
316.072 Obedience to and effect of traffic laws.
316.073 Applicability to animals and animal-drawn vehicles.
316.074 Obedience to and required traffic control devices.
316.0741 High-occupancy-vehicle lanes.
316.0745 Uniform signals and devices.
316.07456 Transitional implementation.
316.0747 Sale or purchase of traffic control devices by nongovernmental entities; prohibitions.
316.075 Traffic control signal devices.
316.0755 Pedestrian control signals.
316.076 Flashing signals.
316.0765 Lane direction control signals.
316.077 Display of unauthorized signs, signals or markings.
316.0775 Interference with official traffic control devices or railroad signs or signals.
316.0776 Traffic infraction detectors; speed detection systems; placement and installation.
316.0777 Automated license plate recognition systems; installation within rights-of-way of State Highway System; public records exemption.
316.0778 Automated license plate recognition systems; records retention.
316.078 Detour signs to be respected.
316.079 Duty to yield to highway construction workers.
316.08 Requirements of flagpersons.
316.081 Driving on right side of roadway; exceptions.
316.0815 Duty to yield to public transit vehicles.
316.0817 Loading and unloading of bus passengers.
316.082 Passing vehicles proceeding in opposite directions.
316.0825 Vehicle approaching an animal.
316.083 Overtaking and passing a vehicle, a bicycle or other nonmotorized vehicle, or an electric bicycle.
316.084 When overtaking on the right is permitted.
316.085 Limitations on overtaking, passing, changing lanes and changing course.
316.087 Further limitations on driving to left of center of roadway.
316.0875 No-passing zones.
316.088 One-way roadways and rotary traffic islands.
316.089 Driving on roadways laned for traffic.
316.0895 Following too closely.
316.090 Driving on divided highways.
316.091 Limited access facilities; interstate highways; use restricted.
316.1001 Payment of toll on toll facilities required; penalties.
316.121 Vehicles approaching or entering intersections.
316.122 Vehicle turning left.
316.123 Vehicle entering stop or yield intersection.
316.1235 Vehicle approaching intersection in which traffic lights are inoperative.
316.125 Vehicle entering highway from private road or driveway or emerging from alley, driveway or building.
316.126 Operation of vehicles and actions of pedestrians; approach of authorized emergency, sanitation, or utility service vehicle, wrecker, or road and bridge maintenance or construction vehicle; presence of disabled motor vehicle.
316.130 Pedestrians; traffic regulations.
316.1301 Traffic regulations to assist blind persons.
316.1303 Traffic regulations to assist mobility-impaired persons.
316.1305 Fishing from state road bridges.
316.1355 Driving through safety zone prohibited.
316.151 Required position and method of turning at intersections.
316.1515 Limitations on turning around.
316.152 Turning on curve or crest of grade prohibited.
316.154 Starting parked vehicle.
316.155 When signal required.
316.156 Signals by hand and arm or signal lamps.
316.157 Method of giving hand and arm signals.
316.1575 Obedience to traffic control devices at railroad-highway grade crossings.
316.1576 Insufficient clearance at a railroad-highway grade crossing.
316.1577 Employer responsibility for violations pertaining to railroad-highway grade crossings.
316.159 Certain vehicles to stop or slow at all railroad grade crossings.
316.170 Moving heavy equipment at railroad grade crossings.
316.171 Traffic control devices at railroad-highway grade crossings.
316.172 Traffic to stop for school bus.
316.173 School bus infraction detection systems.
316.183 Unlawful speed.
316.185 Special hazards.
316.187 Establishment of state speed zones.
316.189 Establishment of municipal and county speed zones.
316.1891 Designation of special event zones; definitions; enhanced penalties; vehicle impoundment.
316.1893 Establishment of enhanced penalty zones; designation.
316.1894 School Crossing Guard Recruitment and Retention Program.
316.1895 Establishment of school speed zones, enforcement; designation.
316.1896 Roadways maintained as school zones; speed detection system enforcement; penalties; appeal procedure; privacy; reports.
316.1905 Electrical, mechanical, or other speed calculating devices; power of arrest; evidence.
316.1906 Radar speed-measuring devices; speed detection systems; evidence, admissibility.
316.191 Racing on highways, street takeovers, and stunt driving.
316.192 Reckless driving.
316.1923 Aggressive careless driving.
316.1925 Careless driving.
316.1926 Additional offenses.
316.193 Driving under the influence; penalties.
316.1932 Tests for alcohol, chemical substances, or controlled substances; implied consent; refusal.
316.1933 Blood test for impairment or intoxication in cases of death or serious bodily injury; right to use reasonable force.
316.1934 Presumption of impairment; testing methods.
316.1935 Fleeing or attempting to elude a law enforcement officer; aggravated fleeing or eluding.
316.1936 Possession of open containers of alcoholic beverages in vehicles prohibited; penalties.
316.1937 Ignition interlock devices, requiring; unlawful acts.
316.1938 Ignition interlock devices, certification; warning label.
316.1939 Refusal to submit to testing; penalties.
316.194 Stopping, standing or parking outside of municipalities.
316.1945 Stopping, standing, or parking prohibited in specified places.
316.195 Additional parking regulations.
316.1951 Parking for certain purposes prohibited; sale of motor vehicles; prohibited acts.
316.1955 Enforcement of parking requirements for persons who have disabilities.
316.1957 Parking violations; designated parking spaces for persons who have disabilities.
316.1958 Out-of-state vehicles bearing identification of issuance to persons who have disabilities.
316.1959 Handicapped parking enforcement.
316.1964 Exemption of vehicles transporting certain persons who have disabilities from payment of parking fees and penalties.
316.1965 Parking near rural mailbox during certain hours; penalties.
316.1967 Liability for payment of parking ticket violations and other parking violations.
316.1974 Funeral procession right-of-way and liability.
316.1975 Unattended motor vehicle.
316.1985 Limitations on backing.
316.1995 Driving upon sidewalk or bicycle path.
316.2004 Obstruction to driver’s view or driving mechanism.
316.2005 Opening and closing vehicle doors.
316.2014 Riding in house trailers.
316.2015 Unlawful for person to ride on exterior of vehicle.
316.2025 Following fire apparatus prohibited.
316.2034 Crossing fire hose.
316.2035 Injurious substances prohibited; dragging vehicle or load; obstructing, digging, etc.
316.2044 Removal of injurious substances.
316.2045 Obstruction of public streets, highways, and roads.
316.2051 Certain vehicles prohibited on hard-surfaced roads.
316.2055 Motor vehicles, throwing advertising materials in.
316.2061 Stop when traffic obstructed.
316.2065 Bicycle regulations.
316.20655 Electric bicycle regulations.
316.2068 Electric personal assistive mobility devices; regulations.
316.2069 Commercial megacycles.
316.2071 Personal delivery devices and mobile carriers.
316.2074 All-terrain vehicles.
316.208 Motorcycles and mopeds.
316.2085 Riding on motorcycles or mopeds.
316.209 Operating motorcycles on roadways laned for traffic.
316.2095 Footrests, handholds, and handlebars.
316.211 Equipment for motorcycle and moped riders.
316.212 Operation of golf carts on certain roadways.
316.2122 Operation of a low-speed vehicle, mini truck, or low-speed autonomous delivery vehicle on certain roadways.
316.2123 Operation of an ATV on certain roadways.
316.2124 Motorized disability access vehicles.
316.2125 Operation of golf carts within a retirement community.
316.2126 Authorized use of golf carts, low-speed vehicles, and utility vehicles.
316.21265 Use of all-terrain vehicles, golf carts, low-speed vehicles, or utility vehicles by law enforcement agencies.
316.2127 Operation of utility vehicles on certain roadways by homeowners’ associations.
316.2128 Micromobility devices, motorized scooters, and miniature motorcycles; requirements.
316.2129 Operation of swamp buggies on public roads, streets, or highways authorized.
316.215 Scope and effect of regulations.
316.216 Authority of department with reference to lighting devices.
316.217 When lighted lamps are required.
316.220 Headlamps on motor vehicles.
316.221 Taillamps.
316.222 Stop lamps and turn signals.
316.2225 Additional equipment required on certain vehicles.
316.224 Color of clearance lamps, identification lamps, side marker lamps, backup lamps, reflectors, and deceleration lights.
316.225 Mounting of reflectors, clearance lamps and side marker lamps.
316.226 Visibility requirements for reflectors, clearance lamps, identification lamps and marker lamps.
316.227 Obstructed lights not required.
316.228 Lamps or flags on projecting load.
316.229 Lamps on parked vehicles.
316.2295 Lamps, reflectors and emblems on farm tractors, farm equipment and implements of husbandry.
316.231 Lamps on other vehicles and equipment.
316.233 Spot lamps and auxiliary lamps.
316.234 Signal lamps and signal devices.
316.235 Additional lighting equipment.
316.237 Multiple-beam road-lighting equipment.
316.238 Use of multiple-beam road-lighting equipment.
316.2385 Requirements for use of lower beam.
316.239 Single-beam road-lighting equipment.
316.2395 Motor vehicles; minimum headlamp requirement.
316.2396 Number of driving lamps required or permitted.
316.2397 Certain lights prohibited; exceptions.
316.2398 Display or use of red or red and white warning signals; motor vehicles of volunteer firefighters or medical staff.
316.2399 Special warning lights for buses or taxicabs.
316.240 Standards for lights on highway maintenance and service equipment.
316.241 Selling or using lamps or equipment.
316.242 Revocation of certificate of approval on lighting devices.
316.251 Maximum bumper heights.
316.252 Splash and spray suppressant devices.
316.253 Vehicles used to sell ice cream and other confections; display of warnings required.
316.261 Brake equipment required.
316.262 Performance ability of motor vehicle brakes.
316.263 Maintenance of brakes.
316.267 Brakes on electric-powered vehicles.
316.271 Horns and warning devices.
316.272 Exhaust systems, prevention of noise.
316.293 Motor vehicle noise.
316.2935 Air pollution control equipment; tampering prohibited; penalty.
316.2937 Motor vehicle emissions standards.
316.294 Mirrors.
316.2951 Motor vehicle windows; definitions.
316.2952 Windshields; requirements; restrictions.
316.2953 Side windows; restrictions on sunscreening material.
316.2954 Windows behind the driver; restrictions on sunscreening material.
316.29545 Window sunscreening exclusions; medical exemption; certain law enforcement vehicles, process server vehicles, and private investigative service vehicles exempt.
316.2955 Window sunscreening material; compliance labeling; tolerances.
316.2956 Violation of provisions relating to windshields, windows, and sunscreening material; penalties.
316.2957 Exemption for motor vehicle manufacturers.
316.299 Rough surfaced wheels prohibited.
316.300 Certain vehicles to carry flares or other devices.
316.301 Display of warning lights and devices when vehicle is stopped or disabled.
316.302 Commercial motor vehicles; safety regulations; transporters and shippers of hazardous materials; enforcement.
316.3025 Penalties.
316.3026 Unlawful operation of motor carriers.
316.303 Television receivers.
316.304 Wearing of headsets.
316.3045 Operation of radios or other mechanical or electronic soundmaking devices or instruments in vehicles; exemptions.
316.305 Wireless communications devices; prohibition.
316.306 School and work zones; prohibition on the use of a wireless communications device in a handheld manner.
316.400 Headlamps.
316.405 Motorcycle headlights to be turned on.
316.410 Taillamps.
316.415 Reflectors.
316.420 Stop lamps.
316.425 Lamps on parked motorcycles.
316.430 Multiple-beam road-lighting equipment.
316.435 Lighting equipment for motor-driven cycles.
316.440 Brake equipment required.
316.445 Performance ability of motorcycle brakes.
316.450 Brakes on motor-driven cycles.
316.455 Other equipment.
316.46 Equipment regulations for mopeds.
316.500 Exceeding weight and length; penalties.
316.510 Projecting loads on passenger vehicles.
316.515 Maximum width, height, length.
316.516 Width, height, and length; inspection; penalties.
316.520 Loads on vehicles.
316.525 Requirements for vehicles hauling loads.
316.530 Towing requirements.
316.535 Maximum weights.
316.545 Weight and load unlawful; special fuel and motor fuel tax enforcement; inspection; penalty; review.
316.550 Operations not in conformity with law; special permits.
316.5501 Permitting program for combination truck tractor, semitrailer, and trailer combination coupled as a single unit subject to certain requirements.
316.555 Weight, load, speed limits may be lowered; condition precedent.
316.560 Damage to highways; liability of driver and owner.
316.565 Emergency transportation, agricultural products; establishment of weight loads, etc.
316.600 Health and sanitation hazards.
316.605 Licensing of vehicles.
316.610 Safety of vehicle; inspection.
316.6105 Violations involving operation of motor vehicle in unsafe condition or without required equipment; procedure for disposition.
316.613 Child restraint requirements.
316.6131 Educational expenditures.
316.6135 Leaving children unattended or unsupervised in motor vehicles; penalty; authority of law enforcement officer.
316.614 Safety belt usage.
316.6145 School buses; safety belts or other restraint systems required.
316.6146 Transportation of private school students on public school buses and public school students on private school buses; agreement.
316.615 School buses; physical requirements of drivers.
316.622 Farm labor vehicles.
316.635 Courts having jurisdiction over traffic violations; powers relating to custody and detention of minors.
316.640 Enforcement.
316.645 Arrest authority of officer at scene of a traffic crash.
316.646 Security required; proof of security and display thereof.
316.650 Traffic citations.
316.655 Penalties.
316.656 Mandatory adjudication; prohibition against accepting plea to lesser included offense.
316.660 Disposition of fines and forfeitures collected for violations; reporting requirement.
316.70 Nonpublic sector buses; safety rules.
316.72 Buses simulating school buses in color and insignia; conditions of use.
316.75 School crossing guards.
316.80 Unlawful conveyance of fuel; obtaining fuel fraudulently.
316.83 Autonomous vehicle grading standards for roads on State Highway System.
316.85 Autonomous vehicles; operation; compliance with traffic and motor vehicle laws; testing.
316.86 Exemption from liability for manufacturer when third party converts vehicle.
316.87 Nonemergency medical transportation services.

 

It won’t be necessary. All cars communicating in tandem to maximize possible speed. I’m extremely excited to give up the wheel. It will be a battle to give up the autonomy with the morons screaming the loudest but they will lose as they should. Make it safe and easy. Long overdue.