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Bushmaster · Nov 28, 2022

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This was, IMO, by far the worst D performance, and what puts it over the top is that there is no rational explanation for the disaster we witnessed.

It was PLAIN that 5 man pressure was a NO GO, yet we did it repeatedly. The film screeched to play C2M and other zone coverages, limiting the man and 5 man pressures. Instead, we had Burney and Shemar on their slot receiver all night. Marshall was fine in coverage generally, Wilson only had two catches, yet they were both big and he also got a PI. I am willing to bet that Travis made basically no reads all night. He knows he's going to throw it to Wilson on deep routes in M2M with no other consideration, and they targeted Tre-vez and Dean on every other play except the ones that Travis decided to throw at Burney and Shemar in the slot. Travis knew where he was going to throw the ball before every snap. He only completed 13, but they went for 274. The M2M also had us with backs to Travis casually running around the Panicked Five. We get all that trash C3/6 all year, and the ONE game that demands it: GONE. I'm not sure we played dime a single play. This lack of tactical play in game 12 is outrageous.

The almost comical out-of-control rushers and edges, again in game 12, is ridiculous. It was HS form, and I get it from young guys in their first games. But we basically have no one who matches that description out there anymore. Just panicked and pathetic diving and reaching. Why they haven't learned to allow the QB to make a devastating mistake is baffling. Maybe you go a little harder at Mahomes, because an extra second and he might throw a Best in The World dime. Travis?? Absolute catastrophe, if you'll just let him. This is not an advanced concept after about two weeks in college. The almost desperate methods the whole team displayed for the whole year except about a two game stretch in the middle being as bad as ever in game 12 is beyond troubling.

TD can just do anything he wants and never sits. Beats, holds, PI's, busts, anything. It's as if there isn't a second player on the team that plays that position. Except for one mystery game he just ran roughshod over consequences.

The tactics thing MAYBE has an explanation, i.e. that we are establishing foundations and systems. That doesn't seem crazy maybe through game 6. But 12? And we just ignore all data and film and do the exact things that reality has told you not to. But the other points about technique, awareness, effort, choice and consequence, and so forth? What could justify any of that? It's not just BCox screaming upfield 8 yards on 3 and 1 or doing that goofy superman dive for no reason. It's an entire team at this point, and again, game 12. IMO all three of these things need an emergency fix, but I'm not even sure the last two should get you another shot.
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In short, make fsu qb play inside a phone booth and beat you with his arm. We didn't and he beat us with his feet.

easycoastgator · Nov 28, 2022

gator_n_sc said: ↑

I think the trask year really warped our perception of Mullen offense. Or maybe we are not giving CBN enough credit. Outside of trasks great season Mullens offenses hardly ,if at all out performed this year's.

Mullens offensive numbers yards per game and pts per game

'18/'19 = 30.8 pts pg 409 yds pg
'19/'20 = 31.7 pts pg 421 yds pg
'20/'21 = 39.8 pts pg 509 yds pg
'21/'22 = 27.4 pts pg 443 yds pg

CBN's lone season

'22/'23 = 29.9 pts pg 420 yds pg

So as you can see outside of the Trask/Pitt year the other seasons were either the same or worse for Mullen. Not counting the excellent offensive performance from trask and co. Which is the best season among all listed, there is only 1 other year Mullens offense avg more yds pg and that was last year with the 8 losses, last year was also the lowest points pg we've avg over the last 5 years as well at just over 27 points pg. The other 2 non Trask seasons he avg less then a point more in one season and less then 2 points more in the other.

So for all this talk about CBN's offense out side of having a generational offensive out put from a QB like Trask gave Mullen, their offense has been comparable. In fact CBN, scored more points per game then Mullen did last year, with the same QB Mullen had.
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Thank you for this. It confirmed what I suspected. Offensive scheme and play calling isn’t an issue. Maybe a couple times a game but that’s every play caller. And… CBN got that level of production without a stellar receiving core or a super accurate QB. Factor in the amount of dropped passes and missed check downs then there’s nothing wrong with our O. I don’t see an issue with Billy’s play calling.

antny1 · Nov 28, 2022

Emmitto said: ↑

This was, IMO, by far the worst D performance, and what puts it over the top is that there is no rational explanation for the disaster we witnessed.

It was PLAIN that 5 man pressure was a NO GO, yet we did it repeatedly. The film screeched to play C2M and other zone coverages, limiting the man and 5 man pressures. Instead, we had Burney and Shemar on their slot receiver all night. Marshall was fine in coverage generally, Wilson only had two catches, yet they were both big and he also got a PI. I am willing to bet that Travis made basically no reads all night. He knows he's going to throw it to Wilson on deep routes in M2M with no other consideration, and they targeted Tre-vez and Dean on every other play except the ones that Travis decided to throw at Burney and Shemar in the slot. Travis knew where he was going to throw the ball before every snap. He only completed 13, but they went for 274. The M2M also had us with backs to Travis casually running around the Panicked Five. We get all that trash C3/6 all year, and the ONE game that demands it: GONE. I'm not sure we played dime a single play. This lack of tactical play in game 12 is outrageous.

The almost comical out-of-control rushers and edges, again in game 12, is ridiculous. It was HS form, and I get it from young guys in their first games. But we basically have no one who matches that description out there anymore. Just panicked and pathetic diving and reaching. Why they haven't learned to allow the QB to make a devastating mistake is baffling. Maybe you go a little harder at Mahomes, because an extra second and he might throw a Best in The World dime. Travis?? Absolute catastrophe, if you'll just let him. This is not an advanced concept after about two weeks in college. The almost desperate methods the whole team displayed for the whole year except about a two game stretch in the middle being as bad as ever in game 12 is beyond troubling.

TD can just do anything he wants and never sits. Beats, holds, PI's, busts, anything. It's as if there isn't a second player on the team that plays that position. Except for one mystery game he just ran roughshod over consequences.

The tactics thing MAYBE has an explanation, i.e. that we are establishing foundations and systems. That doesn't seem crazy maybe through game 6. But 12? And we just ignore all data and film and do the exact things that reality has told you not to. But the other points about technique, awareness, effort, choice and consequence, and so forth? What could justify any of that? It's not just BCox screaming upfield 8 yards on 3 and 1 or doing that goofy superman dive for no reason. It's an entire team at this point, and again, game 12. IMO all three of these things need an emergency fix, but I'm not even sure the last two should get you another shot.
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I just want to hear the explanation from Toney and company on this.

antny1 · Nov 28, 2022

gator_n_sc said: ↑

I didn't think that was an attack on CBN. I just happened to quote you because your post reminded me of it. I was simply pointing out the offense has been equally productive to all but one of the Mullen years. Now Like you pointed out, it needs to be more efficient in situational football, ie RZ, 3rd down, 2 min drill.

What it does show me is that even while not being as efficient as the offense should have been they still put up points Like most of mullens tenure. (Trask year excluded) which means the potential to avg even more points is already there just by cleaning up and being more efficient. I mean how many points did we leave on the field this year that should have been on the scoreboard? Not saying CBN offense is flawless, in fact these numbers being so comparable to mullens kind of shocked me. And imagine if our defense actually starts helping out the offense.
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I don't know how much it's the offense and how much it's just how good Johnson and Etienne are but I think the offensive performance has given us a lot to be excited about going forward if they can clean up a few things. Imagine if we had a couple more play makers at receiver and a more even QB. Biggest issue with the offense has been the red zone and situational offense. Actually we seemed to be at our worst when we needed to score to keep a lead or extend a lead and did better once we were behind.

It was a disjunct offense but it was still able to score well. This 1st year offense was better than Meyer's first year for example

Wanne15 · Nov 28, 2022

upstategator said: ↑

I don’t think Billy was holding back AR, especially later in the season. I mean most teams don’t have a qb waiting to step up and be just as good. You could say that about so many teams. I just think AR just did t want to run that much. Look at the missed shuffle pass to Johnson last night. AR should tuck and run that for a million yards
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That’s was unbelievable

thekentuckygator · Nov 28, 2022

easycoastgator said: ↑

Thank you for this. It confirmed what I suspected. Offensive scheme and play calling isn’t an issue. Maybe a couple times a game but that’s every play caller. And… CBN got that level of production without a stellar receiving core or a super accurate QB. Factor in the amount of dropped passes and missed check downs then there’s nothing wrong with our O. I don’t see an issue with Billy’s play calling.
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Overall, i like his offense. He needs more consistency at QB. He was transitioning to SEC opponets without his handpicked players. He made mistakes, sure. But there was much progress. Another yearbor two and we will be fine.

tommyvee · Nov 28, 2022

Emmitto said: ↑

This was, IMO, by far the worst D performance, and what puts it over the top is that there is no rational explanation for the disaster we witnessed.

It was PLAIN that 5 man pressure was a NO GO, yet we did it repeatedly. The film screeched to play C2M and other zone coverages, limiting the man and 5 man pressures. Instead, we had Burney and Shemar on their slot receiver all night. Marshall was fine in coverage generally, Wilson only had two catches, yet they were both big and he also got a PI. I am willing to bet that Travis made basically no reads all night. He knows he's going to throw it to Wilson on deep routes in M2M with no other consideration, and they targeted Tre-vez and Dean on every other play except the ones that Travis decided to throw at Burney and Shemar in the slot. Travis knew where he was going to throw the ball before every snap. He only completed 13, but they went for 274. The M2M also had us with backs to Travis casually running around the Panicked Five. We get all that trash C3/6 all year, and the ONE game that demands it: GONE. I'm not sure we played dime a single play. This lack of tactical play in game 12 is outrageous.

The almost comical out-of-control rushers and edges, again in game 12, is ridiculous. It was HS form, and I get it from young guys in their first games. But we basically have no one who matches that description out there anymore. Just panicked and pathetic diving and reaching. Why they haven't learned to allow the QB to make a devastating mistake is baffling. Maybe you go a little harder at Mahomes, because an extra second and he might throw a Best in The World dime. Travis?? Absolute catastrophe, if you'll just let him. This is not an advanced concept after about two weeks in college. The almost desperate methods the whole team displayed for the whole year except about a two game stretch in the middle being as bad as ever in game 12 is beyond troubling.

TD can just do anything he wants and never sits. Beats, holds, PI's, busts, anything. It's as if there isn't a second player on the team that plays that position. Except for one mystery game he just ran roughshod over consequences.

The tactics thing MAYBE has an explanation, i.e. that we are establishing foundations and systems. That doesn't seem crazy maybe through game 6. But 12? And we just ignore all data and film and do the exact things that reality has told you not to. But the other points about technique, awareness, effort, choice and consequence, and so forth? What could justify any of that? It's not just BCox screaming upfield 8 yards on 3 and 1 or doing that goofy superman dive for no reason. It's an entire team at this point, and again, game 12. IMO all three of these things need an emergency fix, but I'm not even sure the last two should get you another shot.
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Dude, I appreciate what you do with the GNFP videos, but you put way too much trust in their stuff. He’s a dude that’s not in the room with these players and coaches and just critiques film based on results on the field. It’s easy to nitpick after the fact based on results.

Not saying our coaches have it all figured out, but you don’t think they have someone on staff watching these videos? I’m sure our coaches are well aware of the issues and are working through them. A few plays here or there and we would be Tennessee this year. A low talent team with decent results. Instead we are a low talent team with average results.

Wanne15 · Nov 28, 2022

nawlinsgator said: ↑

We are talking about play-calling.
Do you not know what play-calling is?
It’s knowing what to do in situations.
For example, Red-zone efficiency is all about play-calling. We are ranked 117th out of 131 teams in red zone efficiency.
Play-calling is coming out of a half with a game plan, possibly even something scripted to take advantage of the deficiencies you discovered at halftime. We are at terrible in the third quarter.
Play-calling is running a two-minute drill that gives your team a chance to make up ground. Again, terrible.
We all want the same thing, for UF to get back to the top. Suggesting he Hand off the play-calling to someone more skilled at is not an attack on Napier.
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You may be right but playcalling with a great qb is much easier. That’s a big part of why Mullen was such a good playcaller when he had elite qb’s. Not so much when he had Franks.

Wanne15 · Nov 28, 2022

tommyvee said: ↑

Dude, I appreciate what you do with the GNFP videos, but you put way too much trust in their stuff. He’s a dude that’s not in the room with these players and coaches and just critiques film based on results on the field. It’s easy to nitpick after the fact based on results.

Not saying our coaches have it all figured out, but you don’t think they have someone on staff watching these videos? I’m sure our coaches are well aware of the issues and are working through them. A few plays here or there and we would be Tennessee this year. A low talent team with decent results. Instead we are a low talent team with average results.
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Someone on this 50 man staff is as smart as a podcast host. That’s for sure.

tommyvee · Nov 28, 2022

Wanne15 said: ↑

Someone on this 50 man staff is as smart as a podcast host. That’s for sure.
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Does anyone know James personally? Is he a trust fund baby?

I follow financial news and the doom and gloom is what sells on YouTube and guys are making a killing with it whether they believe it or not.

All that to say, you gonna trust a guy criticizing our team for $100 donations? Let’s see if Napier will bring him on staff.

Wanne15 · Nov 28, 2022

tommyvee said: ↑

Does anyone know James personally? Is he a trust fund baby?

I follow financial news and the doom and gloom is what sells on YouTube and guys are making a killing with it whether they believe it or not.

All that to say, you gonna trust a guy criticizing our team for $100 donations? Let’s see if Napier will bring him on staff.
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Or any coach

tommyvee · Nov 28, 2022

Wanne15 said: ↑

Or any coach
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So ridiculous, man. I’m sure we have the funds to bring this guy in if he’s an asset. Smh

Wanne15 · Nov 28, 2022

tommyvee said: ↑

So ridiculous, man. I’m sure we have the funds to bring this guy in if he’s an asset. Smh
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I’m sure the guy could make a good case for what a dumb ass Saban is for giving up all those points this year

tommyvee · Nov 28, 2022

Wanne15 said: ↑

I’m sure the guy could make a good case for what a dumb ass Saban is for giving up all those points this year
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Saban needs to pay the refs more. They ain’t calling plays his way this year.

Wanne15 · Nov 28, 2022

tommyvee said: ↑

Saban needs to pay the refs more. They ain’t calling plays his way this year.
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Can’t stand his smug ass either. Maybe he will stroke out soon.

tommyvee · Nov 28, 2022

Wanne15 said: ↑

Can’t stand his smug ass either. Maybe he will stroke out soon.
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He can’t have many years left and Bama aren’t in a great position for NIL IMO.

Wanne15 · Nov 28, 2022

tommyvee said: ↑

He can’t have many years left and Bama aren’t in a great position for NIL IMO.
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He’s still getting the players so far. They’ll probably be back.he neeeds some playmakers and maybe coordinators

finorman · Nov 28, 2022

tommyvee said: ↑

He can’t have many years left and Bama aren’t in a great position for NIL IMO.
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Just curious why do you think Bama isn’t in a good position with NIL? They seem to have deep pockets, and their machine seems to support the program. Do you think Saban isn’t on board with it?

tommyvee · Nov 28, 2022

finorman said: ↑

Just curious why do you think Bama isn’t in a good position with NIL? They seem to have deep pockets, and their machine seems to support the program. Do you think Saban isn’t on board with it?
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Saban’s on board with it. I think as a program, they aren’t that rich in resources. Their endowments have been decreasing relative to ours from what I’m seeing.

Bushmaster · Nov 29, 2022

tommyvee said: ↑

He can’t have many years left and Bama aren’t in a great position for NIL IMO.
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Don't know about that. Bama got people who will take out a 3rd mortgage on their mobile home to buy the next great LB.

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