Question for Trump supporters

that's generous. To have ever believed makes one a dumb ass sucker.

 

why did Trump run in 2020? He complained far more about fraud in the 2016 election than HC & he wasted tax payer money setting up a committee to investigate it. He also bitched about the Iowa caucus being rigged when he lost that.

 

There are 10's of thousands of people working to save these next elections in every state. What the MAGA crowd believes is if we had one day of voting, paper ballots, and ID verification, then there would be no concern about political theft.

Machines are untrustworthy. If you cannot agree with that then you are not being honest with yourself. I could live with some mail-in ballots, but they would have to have real restrictions. They would have to be requested by a citizen and have their signature checked. No drop boxes whatsoever. Our sacred election process should not be superseded by the convenience of a drop box.

We should know by 10 pm who the President is on Election Day. MAGA is much more prepared this go-around and is ready for whatever shady scheme the Global Uni-Party comes up with next. There are a lot of very powerful people around the world who do not want Trump to win.

 

What is truly not honest is the assumption that 80-90 years of voting machines is somehow not valid, despite overwhelming evidence that it has been fine. Let me fix that last sentence for you: "There are a lot of very honest and intelligent people around the world who do not want Trump to win." And I'll add that in the last election, a historical landslide of Americans voted against Trump.

 

So you would support a system similar to that of Florida in which a mail-in votes are counted as soon as they are received with the results being made public after the polls closed? By counting those votes early the results of the election would be known much sooner. The reason for the delayed count in the 2020 presidential election in Pennsylvania as well as some other states was because Republican-controlled state legislatures at the request of the now former president prohibited the counting of mail-in ballots until after the polls closed resulting in delayed counts intended to create the illusion that there was some type of manipulation.

By the way machines are much more accurate than a pure paper-based system. The most accurate system is machine-counted paper ballots which would still be available for a hand count if necessary.

 

Brainless, factless propganda

 

No doubt. And he ran his campaign like an idiot. Doing more of the same right now.

He's his own worst enemy when it comes to campaign strategy.

Just can't let go of the past......

 

Trump could accomplish a lot towards becoming a dictator, just by having his minions invade the Capitol and kill a number of Congressmen. And they were not too far from doing exactly that. The rest of Congress would start saluting and saying Zig Heil whenever Trump showed up, and would do whatever he said. Message received.

Trump probably would have suspended the 2020 election if he thought there was any chance of anyone else being elected. He believed too much that the 30% of loud sycophants that adored him represented the entire country. And he was an extremely arrogant person to begin with, thinking that he was the best president ever. He didn't tolerate reality from his subordinates; he demanded yes-men that fawned over his alleged brilliance. He thought he was doing a great job, and that the American people would see past all of those pesky facts and details that suggested otherwise to agree with him.

As far as what Constitutional rights Trump was planning to overthrow--the answer is "ALL OF THEM". He has gone on record postulating that the Constitution should be done away with. Maybe Trump would write his own Constitution, maybe he would just make up the rules as he went along. Guess what kind of leader that would describe? Hint: it starts with "d" and ends with "ictator".

Get your head out of the swamp muck and smell the Chicory.

 

This been tested and the results were machines were more accurate than hand counting by humans and hand counting by humans took far longer. Do you remember the hand counts by cyber ninjas. That took weeks and weeks and it was for only 1 county in AZ.

Not if the ballots are hand counted. It will be many weeks. Remember all the down ballot races and initiatives that have to be hand tallied too.

Hand-Counting Votes: A Proven Bad Idea
For example, in an experiment from Rice University using only 120 ballots, people counting by hand got it right only 58 percent of the time. Now imagine multiplying that by 100 or 1,000. As a Bipartisan Policy Center report put it, humans, unlike tabulation machines, are “notoriously poor at completing rote, repetitive tasks.”

Why do election experts oppose hand-counting ballots?
Numerous studies — in voting and other fields such as banking and retail — have shown that people make far more errors counting than do machines, especially when reaching larger and larger numbers. They’re also vastly slower.




“Machine counting is generally twice as accurate as hand-counting and a much simpler and faster process,” said Stephen Ansolabehere, a professor of government at Harvard University who has conducted research on hand-counts.

In one study in New Hampshire, he found poll workers who counted ballots by hand were off by 8%. The error rate for machine counting runs about 0.5%, Ansolabehere said.

Just how long can hand-counting delay results? Depending on jurisdiction and staffing, it could be days, weeks or even months.

 

What makes you say that machines are untrustworthy? Do you trust your car to get you to work? Do you trust your coffeemaker to make your coffee? Do you trust your toaster to make your toast? What are you, some kind of Luddite? Or are you an Amish person typing away on your computer?

If ballots are not counted by machine, then they will be counted by people. Are people automatically trustworthy to you? No one would ever have any kind of motivation to change an election through fraudulent means, now would they? People can't be bribed like a machine can, now can they? People don't have their own political motivations, now do they? What are you, Forrest Gump?

How long do you think it would take to count and tabulate 160 million votes (the number of people who voted in 2020)? "Sixty three thousand, seven hundred and twenty two. Sixty three thousand, seven hundred and twenty three. Oh, hi, Bob, how are you? How are the wife and kids? . . . O.k., see you. Now where was I? Oh, crap. One, two, three, four . . ." What are you, a masochist?

You would not know anything by 10:00 p.m. the night of the election. It would be somewhere between chaos and pandemonium. If you cannot agree with that then you are not being honest with yourself.

 

Are you a self-appointed spokesperson for MAGA Nation? Trump's loss had nothing to do with voting machines or mail-in ballots. Trump lost because people like you are in a minority.

 

If Trump had been honest about the risks early on and didn't lie to us, he could have/should have had an advantage by being a good leader.

But instead, he felt it was a threat to his presidency and down played it, even referring to it as an hoax (his people misunderstood this statement and believed the whole thing was a hoax).

As a result he lost even more support.

 

He thinks machines aren't trustworthy because they can be controlled by Italian satellites under the command of Hugo Chavez's ghost.

 

Mostly correct. But, the indictments were actually imposed by US citizens serving on grand juries per the law.

 

That point, IMO, is a bit disingenuous. The indictments were brought to the grand jury by someone, they didn’t just get issued from thin air. But yes, the grand jury heard the evidence and decided, objectively, there was sufficient facts to indict.

 

But the fact that a grand jury, comprised of US citizens, objectively determined there was sufficient evidence to bring charges is what Trump ignores in all his whining and BS claims about the prosecutors, the Justice Department and President Biden.

 

Trump's tariff wars with China bought him support from America's uneducated, but did nothing towards improving U.S. manufacturing jobs as Trump said it would. U.S. manufacturing jobs were increasing steadily prior to Trump's tariffs, but plateaued afterwards (before taking a nosedive during the pandemic). The tariffs caused China to retaliate and stop buying U.S. agricultural products, causing Trump to set up a bailout fund for farmers.

How Trump wins from his damaging trade wars

"But, but, Trump fixed the trade deficit with China!"

No, he didn't. Chinese businesses found a way around the tariffs and sold their products into the U.S. via Mexico and Vietnam. Trump got out-smarted, as only an arrogant simpleton can.

"But, didn't Trump create jobs?" No, he cost America many jobs. The Tax Foundation says he cost the U.S. 195,000 jobs.

"Didn't he at least extract money from China?" No, American companies importing Chinese products had to pay the tariffs.

 

That cartoon says more than any text post. By the way Trump is still claiming that his $28 billion bailout for farmers hurt when the Chinese stopped purchasing American agricultural products primarily soybeans was financed by Chinese tariffs when it was actually US taxpayers who footed the bill. His low information supporters undoubtedly continue to believe him.