Question for the Pro-Gun People on this Forum

Agree. At this point, we should just issue loaded guns to children in kindergarten and get it over with. Maybe one of them will stop a school shooter.

However, it seems like it might be smarter to limit gun sales to people over 25 years old. Just sayin'.

 

My safe opens with a fingerprint. 2 seconds. A single gun stolen from a car isnt nearly as bad as a dozen guns stolen. A small portable handgun safe is easy to mount securely in your trunk. This is the responsible thing to do

 

There is already a pseudo registration in place. My name is already in a database for CCW. The govt already knows I own a weapon. They don't need to know what it is wven though I suspect they already do.

 

Unfortunately, "dealing with them" can only happen after a mass shooting and potentially mass murder.

Below are 3 paragraphs written about the Uvalde school shooter. I challenge any one to read just those 3 paragraphs (let alone the full, sad, linked story) and tell me how anything we do, short of completely eliminating access to guns, is going to stop a kid like this.

Bonus Question - for the the bible thumpers only - when all of the righteous who are running to ban abortion, and then block birth control have several million more of these kids running around each year, what are we going to do with them??

Double Bonus Question - are we better off funding more police to write reports on the body count after mass shootings, or take some of that money and put it toward social programs for at-risk youth, put it towards programs of providing food, clothes and trying to find stable living environments vs incarcerating them after the fact?

A year before Uvalde shooting, gunman had threatened women, carried around a dead cat and been nicknamed “school shooter”

 

I don’t want a registry. It won’t actually help prevent anything and enables easy confiscation. I also believe it can and will be used maliciously to harass law abiding citizens, or perhaps to put them on other government lists. It’s an absolute non-starter for me.

What I’d propose is opening up NICS for public use. Doesn’t have to be done at a gun show, buyer and seller get a record, it isn’t stored anywhere, but is an absolute defense from liability for any private party transfer. Transfer a gun to anyone else without it, strict liability is applied. If you have guns and they are stolen and used in a crime, you’re liable if they are not in some kind of locked container or carrying the weapon on your person. Up to the individual if that is a risk they want to assume. To someone who lives out in the middle of nowhere with no kids, no big deal. To people with higher risk profiles, you may want to mitigate your liability.

 

I can understand your frustration. On the flip side think about how I feel when I think back about how my wife had 2 guys try to car jack her in broad daylight. She stopped them when she took her gun out of her purse and displayed it. They hauled ass once they saw it. What was their intention? She was driving a Volkswagen Beetle which in 1973 wasn’t a usually stolen car. My wife was gorgeous back then (still is). We think she may have been their target as do others we’ve spoken to about it. Would it have been car theft only, kidnapping for ransom, rape, or possibly rape and murder? I shutter to think about it.

We celebrated our 50th anniversary on June 30th. I can’t even begin to imagine what my life would have been like if I had lost my wife and best friend that day.

From that day on I’ve become adamant about every law abiding, properly trained citizen carrying a gun.

I also worked over a 30 year period as a patrol officer, deputy sheriff, and fire/arson investigator. Those years and experienced cemented my opinion about carrying a gun even more.

 

Too restrictive imo. I drive an SUV and don’t have a trunk. I think what I do is responsible enough.

 

I hope you change your mind before 1 of your guns becomes another ballistics check. You want to own it, you should be responsible for what happens to it.

 

They can mount in multiple locations, not just a trunk. Behind my rear seat in a truck

 

Nothing is going to have an immediate impact on our gun problem. However, that should not be the argument that some on here use to suggest nothing short of a complete ban will solve the problem, and therefore is a non-starter. Big problems are solved by starting with small steps, with a vision of what the end will look like. It may take decades to cure our problems but no reason we can't have high gun ownership without a mass shooting every day.

While the 2A says we have the right to bear arms, even the most ardent defender of that would say you don't sell a firearm to a 5 year old even though the Constitution doesn't mention anything about age and gun ownership. So we have common sense rules on age. That hasn't caused all guns to be confiscated. There can be other considerations, like going through training before owning a gun, taking an exam, purchasing a license and register a gun or multiple guns, be free of certain crime categories or lose the license, and have home security requirements for guns. None of those conditions would prevent a responsible gun owner the right to own a gun. It would prevent an 18 yo disaffected mentally unstable youth, with no training, from going out on his BDay, buying an AR15 and shooting up a school or church.

We also need an NRA that uses it's influence to support common sense, responsible gun ownership, and not the existing polarizing organization we have now. The NRA only pushes fear instead of trying to improve the climate, i.e. any common sense legislation will lead to a total ban. They have even successfully prohibited smart gun makers from marketing their guns (I get it, some people want locked and loaded ready to defend their home, but people should have a choice here and weigh the risk to benefit themselves and not every gun owner buys a gun to defend themselves. Most gun owners are hunters or just collectors). Republicans are afraid to oppose the NRA and so we don't have serious discussions, even as gun deaths now surpass auto deaths. This is my main point, and to Ridge's above, the discussion around guns has been poisoned and we need to get past that.

 

honestly moving adulthood and all it’s associated right and privileges to 25 sounds like a good idea

 

Mostly due to the possibility of some nefarious government entity deciding to confiscate all guns. You are correct that the same thing could happen with everything involving a registration but guns hit home. It's really one of a few things that sets us apart from the rest of the world.

The other reason has to do with the intention of registration - it has zip on preventing a single mass shooting. If you look at every single mass shooting since 1980, any sort of gun registration wouldn't have prevented a single instance. I feel because of the number of gun owners there are, the number 1 reason for registration is $$$$$$$$$$$. Even a $10/yr registration fee would put at least $4 Billion into some politician's pocket every single year. Now imagine if the fee was $100? $400 Billion. It's all about the money folks.

 

I know, right... I mean Guns are a Constitutionally protected Right to own, but driving is a privilege and so is owning a car.