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You can't argue with racists. Anyone thinking it's ok for Jewish students to not feel safe on campus isn't someone you will have a rational conversation with.

 

A nonsensical reply to what I wrote, and the sort of "safe space/trigger warning" people like you were whining about school administrators doing only a few years ago

 

Let's look at it logically for a minute. First protestors should be allowed to say what they want no matter who they are or what they say. What they shouldn't be able to do is stop someone from doing what they want to do (ie. block buildings or access to their dorm or something).
Having said that. Exactly what do they hope to achieve by getting in the face of some random Sophomore trying to get to their chemistry class?
What the news has reported is they want the Universities to "divest" their endowments, investments, or research contracts with Israel. Annoying that random sophomore is not going to achieve that. All it will do is make him or her not support you going forward. Although I don't think any amount of protesting is going to get the powers that be and the money out of Israel.

 

You said:

You posted 3 or 4 times on the first page, and I didn't see any of those posts addressing what I asked you. Different than what and how?

It's not a "rules sheet," it's a guide. Anybody with a genuine desire to be disruptive isn't letting that sheet stop them from doing whatever it is they are going to do. Best to be aware of the actual rules to know what you are about to find out. Once you are familiar with the rules, it will be more clear as to what "no disruption" means in the context of facing consequences. Most rules have specific criteria as well as having a general way of being referenced. You know this already, which is why your position on this doesn't make any sense. What are they supposed to do pass out a hard copy of the entire student code of conduct and other university policies and procedures?

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,WESGATORS

 

This is not a text book hypothetical that you’re studying. This is the real world where the same funding sources are saturating our universities with organized “protests” that have caused violence and chaos at every stop. With that prologue, Sasse took proactive measures. Our students are safer as a result.

That’s not hypothetical “disappointing,” that’s great results in the world of reality.

PS. Schools recommending their kids go home include Columbia, MIT, USC, amongst others.

 

I don't think they are really getting in the face of anyone. They are basically confining themselves to a certain area in an open space. The people that come over to engage are basically the people who would mock the religious nuts that liked to come on campus. If you dont care, you can just walk on by. A lot of this same stuff happened during the Occupy protests. There were basically encampments set up everywhere, not just on campuses. There was one where I live downtown they let stay up for over a month and it eventually petered out. All the tactics the schools are using now have nothing to do with the manner of the protests, and everything to do with what the protests are about.

 

I envy someone like you— who has no children and no possible understanding of the second-nature need to protect one’s child — who has such ease castigating others who are concerned for the safety of their children. Your freedom of burden is (thankfully) one which we will never share in common.

 

We are not talking about children, we are talking about college students, who are adults just like you and me. But certainly there is a great deal of paternalistic nonsense in how people approach this lol.

 

Yep, I used to walk by all those types in the Plaza during my time there. I would engage and see if I could get them unhinged if I was bored and didn't have to be somewhere. Good times.
My son hasn't even seen any but he may not have to be in that part of campus. Not sure where these people are set up. I'm guessing the Plaza.

 

Again, you call it paternal “nonsense.” That type of spewed venom could come only from someone who is not a parent.

But let’s be absolutely clear - a college student, generally speaking, remains dependent upon his parents, or on loans. College students are not yet adults who take care of themselves (or others). That’s part of the college experience - learning and preparing to become an adult. And regardless, every parent here demands that their college student child be safe while attending the university. To say otherwise is, well, “nonsense.”

 

To the extent we've seen "violence and chaos," it has overwhelmingly been police breaking up peaceful protests. As for the "text book hypothetical" comment, I didn't realize our freedoms meant less in the real world than they did on paper. Sacrifice liberty for security, and see where it gets you. Disappointing.

P.S. Columbia, the university, didn't recommend their Jewish students go home. Haven't seen anything from MIT or USC making that recommendation. Can you post the official statements from the schools?

 

Sure, that all sounds fine in the abstract, but when schools cant do anything for a girl who gets raped at a party and cant do anything without evidence but can suspend a kid for multiple years for using a megaphone on campus, the idea of the safety of students is pretty arbitrary. Sure a school cant do anything about your kid being shot in school shooting or drugged and raped, but they can make sure their feelings are protected from protestors lol. If we were to poll parents, my guess is the top safety concerns of parents are largely going to be things the school is not capable of doing much about, not them being made uncomfortable by words.

 

Post #10 identifies the problems with the rules they handed out. And no, they don't hand out sheets like that every time people gather for a protest at the university.

LOL. You're arguing semantics over what to call the sheet that has rules and consequences? Here are some options:
1. Don't create a new "guide" and hand it out.
2. If you're going to create a "guide," create one that complies with the First Amendment by clearly laying out your speech restrictions in a constitutional manner.
3. Create a "guide" that literally just copies and pastes the relevant portions of the student conduct code.

My position makes total sense, no matter how many times you talk yourself in circles. They created a "guide" that had vague and overbroad rules and threats of draconian consequences. Why? To chill students from protesting.

 

Are you aware of what specifically triggered this sheet to be passed out?

That's funny because I see your take as the one arguing semantics. I have no interest in doing that. I don't care what it's called, my point is simply that it's a more general version of what the rules actually entail. Let's just agree that a reasonable person would not take what is being passed out as a literal end all be all in terms of handling the situation. A reasonable person would seek to know more about what constitutes a violation. This is true with most things in life; anything from a "no trespassing" sign to a "speed limit" sign. There's usually more nuances to something than how it is being presented to us.

You say "vague and overbroad rules;" I say to simplify the presentation of rules. I'm sure you would have been ok with it if they slapped a disclaimer on there that read "for more information please see" (followed by a link to the online version). Whereas that seems implied to me.

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no, hate filled threatening speech meant to intimidate people should not be tolerated.

 

Hate is tough to define and will be perceived differently; for example. Is there a peaceful way to indicate that you don't like an existing form of governance?

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,WESGATORS

 

Dude, you just proved @ajoseph point.
We’ve been down this road before. You have no clue without having a child.
You never stop worrying about them, no matter their age.

 

Out University had an entire police force aimed at protecting the University and its students on campus. It takes every proactive, lawful step to ensure the safety of the kids. Camerasare everywhere. There are campus patrols, free cabs, free shuttles, free hotlines to call to get an escort back to campus. To say the school “doesn’t do anything” to protect its students from the unthinkable acts is just inaccurate. Obviously, the school can’t protect every student from every malady or horror — that’s life.

But, when the danger is foreseeable, and predictable, like the situation we now have — based on objective data and experiences, the University has the obligation to take reasonable steps to ensure that the students are reasonably protected from the foreseeable danger.

 

I imagine we all know what triggered it. Was I in the room when they made the decision? No.

I don't agree with that. If you distribute sheets with rules and consequences, people are going to take it at face value, particularly when the sheet implies that it accurately reflects UF's rules. Keep in mind this was the final bullet point under the prohibited activities: "Any other items and/or activities deemed to be non-compliant with policy and regulations by university officials."

No. Simplifying rules to the point where they are vague and overbroad when you are restricting speech is never okay. I would not have been okay with a disclaimer. I would have been okay with them quoting directly from the code of conduct, conveying the rules in a narrow way that complies the Constitution and Florida law, or them handing out a sheet directing the students to the code of conduct. (Assuming the code of conduct is not itself violating the Constitution, as I haven't reviewed UF's lately.)

 

The Rabbi at the student-run Jewish Center at Columbia wrote the parents that the Jewish students are no longer safe and should return home. Sure, it wasn’t the President of Columbia, but are we really going to play semantics here?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/us/columbia-university-jewish-students-protests/index.html

see also https://www.usnews.com/news/educati...s-over-israel-hamas-war-boil-over-on-campuses

Likewise, as I know you of all people are aware, Jewish students have sued multiple universities for the failure to provide them a safe environment. Separate lawsuits have been filed against Harvard, Columbia, MIT, Penn, and UC Berkeley, amongst other places, because Jewish students are no longer safe, (Feel free to google it), all because Israel declared War after Hamas breached the border on October 7th, and where, lost in a short period of time, Hamas terrorists p murdered, tortured, raped and kidnapped hundreds of innocent people, many of whom were civilians attending a peace concert.