Proud of my university!

Yes, they do. Nice kids do all sorts of stupid things when they're young. Guarantee you did some very dumb things in college. I know I did. Guess all of us who have ever fought another person can't be nice people?

 

You'd be doing your university a service. Ask them to divest from his coaching contract.

 

Was this supposed to be a bad idea? Because...I'd probably be okay with this.

 

I agree that semantics matter….on that note, isn’t the 1st amendment about the US and State GOVERNMENT not being able to suppress free speech? Pretty sure UF is not one of those

 

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine
“State university” or “state universities” as used in the State Constitution and the Florida Statutes are agencies of the state which belong to and are part of the executive branch of state government.

 

So you advocate the kids will be kids defense? That seems to work if you want a shithead kid as an adult. Kids do stupid things but holding them accountable for said stupid things is what corrects the behavior.

 

I suspect many forget in war casualties happen. I wonder how WWII would have turned out if we had to omit bombings because we may kill non war combatants?
I don't hear any talk about how Hamas uses innocent people as shields, terrorizes their own people, while seeking to eradicate Israel. I don't hear much talk from this site regarding what Hamas did to innocent Israel people? I suspect some will claim it never happened, much like some claim the holocaust never happened.
Where is the focus on hostage release? Where is the outrage of outright terrorism? Where is the outrage for Jewish students in the US being intimidated and threatened?

 

A total non-response. Sounds like you’re cool with rockets aimed at Israel, but you can’t stomach Israel defending itself. We all have our choices.

 

And when nice kids do stupid things, there’s repercussions, regardless of how nice they may be. Hopefully your friend will learn his lesson, and more importantly, actually study the history and roots of what he is protesting (as oppos3d to TikTok education ).

 

I say that kids doing stupid things doesn't make them bad people. But continue tussling with your straw man. You've nearly got him!

Invoking World War II is a false equivalence. Major world powers were at war with casualties in the millions and the Nazis committing genocide. Collateral damage is going to happen. What's happening now is beyond that. It's collective punishment.

Don't come in here demanding people condemn things they've already condemned while you make excuses and try to justify wrongs.

 

Yeah, because people who disagree with you are uninformed or brainwashed or whatever. We get it.

 

Not a word about Hamas and Hezbollah shelling Israel weekly (if not daily) before the war even started. Not a word about how every Israeli lives, by necessity, in close proximity to a bomb shelter, and how every single bomb shelter has frequent use. Not a word in those protests about the slaughter of innocent civilians by Hamas (and Hezbollah). Not a word about Hezbollah’s use of human shields. And, not a word of the scores of opportunities offered — and outright rejected— to the Palestinians for a free and separate Palestinian State, based on the condition that the Palestinians simply recognize Israel’s right to exist.

 

I have no issue with someone disagreeing with me. None. I have strong issues about someone disagreeing with me when their argument is predicated on outright lies or half-baked nonsense. There’s a big difference.

 

Cmon now, making a conscious decision to spit on LEO in a non violent situation really can't be defended. Certainly this isn't the worse thing on the planet, but calling the kid nice on the heels of the incident is an odd choice.

 

To be sure, and as I have stated rather passionately above, the protestors are not engaging in unprotected free speech. They are propagating lies shoved to them by arms of Hamas, a terrorist regime (as identified by our Government). The protests are being organized and funded by and Hamas and its “marketing” arm.

Yesterday, a lawsuit was filed against the terrorist funders and organizers for their support, aid, and conspiracy to propagate terror here and abroad.

The lawsuit is well-researched, and is easy to read and understand. Here’s a quick release describing the lawsuit that was just filed against the terrorist instigators:

Greenberg Traurig, National Jewish Advocacy Center, Schoen Law Firm, and Holtzman Vogel Represent American and Israeli Victims of Hamas Oct. 7 Terrorist Attack in Lawsuit Against AJP Educational Foundation, Inc. a/k/a American Muslims for Palestine and National Students for Justice in Palestine | News | Greenberg Traurig LLP

Or, if you prefer to read the well-written, comprehensive allegations of the complaint, here’s the link to the lawsuit that describes the background of the organization, funding and purpose:
https://www.gtlaw.com/en/-/media/fi...lang=en&hash=B3D9D0E5C29A86D48411FFC49E7B2142

Hopefully, Gator-lawyer’s protesting buddy, Allan, who’s otherwise a good kid, will take the time to read it, and its supporting authority, to get a full picture of what he is supporting. That’s what a good kid would do, IMO.

 

Some great points here about the hypocrisy of the universities at the center of this:
America’s Colleges Are Reaping What They Sowed

 

You've made up your mind that people on the other side of this issue are uninformed and brainwashed. You're entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

Who is defending the alleged behavior? I said that a stupid decision in the heat of the moment doesn't make him a bad person. You ever been in a fight? You ever done something stupid that you regretted? Are you not a nice person because of those decisions?

It's quite noticeable that they're suing a student activist organization like SJP and not Hamas. Attempting to use the legal system to suppress dissent is no bueno.

 

Pray tell me what war doesn't have such casualties. Were there not such casualties in the Korean War? Vietnam war? You brazenly speak of "collective punishment" where is your defense of Israel being constantly shelled by its neighbors? Where was your outrage when Hamas brutally raped and slaughtered innocent Israelis? Where is your outrage when Hamas uses its own people as shields? Why is it to hard for you to understand there are people. nations who do not want Israel to exist and will not settle for peace? Where is you outrage when terrorist kills, brutalizes innocent people? Sadly, imo you give support to terrorist like Hamas and their devious activities when you support their cause. To allow Hamas to exist simply allows them to continue terrorist acts against Israel, let alone rule the people of Gaza with an iron fist.
Imagine the US being constantly shelled by Mexico and Canada, and terrorist activities against our own people on a regular basis. What if it was there intent to overthrow us? What if they placed their cannons and weapons near hospitals and schools so as to continue to shell and kill our people? Would our fighting them even if it meant civilian casualties be collective punishment?

 

We did a lot of evil, reprehensible shit during the Vietnam War. So that's not going to earn you the points you think it will.

Last I checked, nobody on this board thinks it's acceptable for Hezbollah to attack Israel.

Here. My outrage was here. It was also in the real world. And it still makes my blood boil. Unlike you, I don't make excuses for the murder of innocents. It was evil. Hamas are terrorists. Everybody involved in that attack deserves death.

Spare me the mental gymnastics to justify Israel's mass killing of innocent people.

I understand just fine that there are countries that don't want Israel to exist. I understand just fine that Hamas doesn't want peace.

Asked and answered.

Sadly, you give support for war crimes because you lack the principles and moral clarity to both oppose the Hamas terrorists and Israel's mass killing of innocents. Continue to try and justify the killing of women and children.