Police shoot and kill another guy in his own home ...

I said what about Party agenda? Why are you talking about. Everyone lies... you do too.

Lol... psychological projection? So... some unnamed people, posters here, have been giving you professional psychological profiles of posters... of psychological projection?

Is that what we signed up for, Lacuna? To be psychologically profiled?

 

By the body of our post yes, and my work up on you is a doozy..

 

I didn’t say there was a perfect or even good measure. I'm merely stating it’s terribly unreliable statistic to use. When the complaint is against those that generally review the complaints and largely control the evidence, and citizens often feel they’re unable to complain then i don’t put a lot of stock in the numbers. No one should except for directional trends and potentially comparisons between groups.

For my part I also don’t consider officers to be “good” (admittedly not being good is different than being bad) when they uphold poor policing culture.

 

I was about to say, yes, I want to cut the gun death rate by 2/3. Strange that he thinks that is some kind of insult.

 

So what is the acceptable number of police killings of innocent people?

 

So using your numbers cops commit 1 percent of the murders.

 

I think the comparison to “bad doctors” is interesting, but I wonder how many of those were just straight up killed by doctors? Most medical error related deaths are where the person requires intervention, but someone at the hospital (not even necessarily “the doctor” errs in judgement or misses some warning sign or most commonly it’s a hospital acquired infection and the weakened patient simply can’t recover). The vast majority of med error deaths are more a failure to save a person than straight up killing them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure that happens in some numbers, having several friends and family in medicine I’ve been told of some whoppers about botched surgeries or clueless nurses that administer crazy doses of high risk drugs where they fail to weigh or monitor patients properly. But the ones where a mostly healthy person is killed is much rarer than the 40,000, although it’s also true it’s not covered enough when it happens.

That being said, even the most egregious med error is not the same as a cop killing a person minding their own business in their own home. Although i think in egregious cases criminal charges could be warranted. I certainly think that with these egregiously bad police shoots. It’s gross negligence and trigger happy cops, not normal policing. I'm sure if we had the details laid out of the 100 worst med errors in any given year, a few might have circumstances where i prefer criminal charges to those as well.

 

Of course we should work towards zero, that’s not my argument.
We should also work towards zero on the nearly 2000 kids who die from neglect or abuse each year.
The 2000 children who die from guns.
The 2000 kids who die from car accidents.
The 250000 who die annually from surgical errors.
The 50000 who die from faulty products.
The 100k who died from preventable poisoning.
The 13k people who die drunk driving

Among countless other things, none of which get a single thread here or barely a shred of national attention outside of kids and gun violence. The 100 killed by cops gets more coverage than all of that combined.
It’s a narrative of relative importance and severity that isn’t even in the same realm as reality, even if one is too many.

 

How is trying to save a patient but unable to save them an error ? If that’s the calculus then there must be millions of deaths by medical error.

 

Even if you took a worst case scenario, the numbers are relatively small. Around 6.6 percent of officers even had a complaint filed against them based on a study I saw. If half of those were legit, then it’s 3 percent of officers that are a problem. And 50 percent of complaints being upheld is probably very generous, someone sitting in or facing jail has a thousand reasons to file a complaint. Fire those 1-3 percent, we agree there.

but I also agree with you on your second argument. Weed out the bad cultures, that’s the much bigger problem.

 

Suggestion.

Lock your doors.

Fwiw, glad you made it unscathed.

 

Thanks. I do keep the door locked, but the cop came in through the garage. I keep forgetting to close the garage when I come home. I don't know why I can't remember things like I used to.

Moral of story: Always close your garage. (If you can remember to.)

 

This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. How does this idiot still have a job? It starts with cleaning out hotheads like this.

Report: CT cop seen in video punching man says it was 'plain stupidity'

 

Florida has a convicted felon in possession of a firearm statue. They used to have a mandatory 10, 20, life gun statue that was eliminated. What I’ve witnessed is the state making sweet deals (offers) to avoid trials because our system is clogged up. How about we eliminate the sweet deals and put them in prison?

You use a gun to commit certain crimes,,, mandatory 5 years first offense. If someone gets hurt 15. Kill someone you meet your maker.

 

Easy. If a doctor misdiagnoses the problem or totally botches a surgery relative to a “competent” surgeon, or if the patient dies while waiting in a waiting room because the people who checked them in failed to recognize the severity/urgency of their medical situation (sepsis, early signs of stroke or heart attack, conpartment syndrome, whatever).

The other big issue is hospital acquired infection, which kills around 100,000 per year. The infection thing is probably a mix of people who needed lifesaving care, but it also happens to people receiving “quality of life” care, such as orthopedic or back surgeries.

 

Interestingly one of the first ever convictions of a doctor for intentionally maiming and killing patients was achieved by a Gator alum and it’s been turned into a podcast and now TV show called Doctor Death.

 

Arguably, hospitals and not inner cities are the most dangerous places in America.

 

Interesting, if they could show intent you’d think it would be very easy to make it criminal and get a conviction. Dr. Death sounds more like straight up murder. There have been many stories of serial killer nurses and doctors throughout history - so I’d question that as “the first”. Maybe the first in Texas? Reading a bit about it, sounds like the state of TX really dropped the ball and allowed this guy to keep moving between hospitals even after it should have been abundantly clear he was actually a psychopath.

The True Story Behind Peacock's 'Dr. Death'

 

There’s different types of felonies. Mandatory 10 first gun offense for all of them seems excessive. I’m not a fan of minimums because they allow for the specifics of the situation.

 

Wasn’t the move made to get rid of “mandatory minimum” after some woman received a life sentence because she fired a warning shot in the air against her abusive husband? Maybe her previous criminal strikes were more legitimate, but an example like that shows how mandatory sentences can create crazy injustices.

Seems like it would make more sense to narrow the scope. If some scumbag commits 3 violent felonies or robberies, 10-20-life could apply. I think that makes sense for habitual offenders, but a judges hands shouldn’t be totally tied where there are exigent circumstances or where the crime really doesn’t need to be be a felony, let alone count towards a life sentence.