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Percentage of Power 5 Teams that have an Offensive Coordinator?

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by PlantationGator, Sep 1, 2023.

  1. l_boy

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    I don’t know if we need an OC or not. The issue of being a HC and having a good program, you will be churning OCs every couple of years. So you can throw out the playbook every two years, or you have core playbook and philosophy and you plug and play OC’s.

    I don’t pay attention, but I assume we have somebody up in the box looking at the field communicating with BN. So is BN ignoring the feedback and calling his own plays? Is it critical that the guy up in the box have title of offensive coordinator and be THE official play caller? I don’t know.

    I’m not yet sold on BNs offensive scheme, but is it really that different than GA or Bama? The issue is they don’t have the personnel to execute it.

    Exactly what offensive scheme does one think that will enable Graham Mertz to light up the field?
     
  2. staticgator

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    The issue isn’t pure scheme related. The issue is a combination of discipline and feel. Most teams have the same plays. The defining factor of good offenses versus bad offenses is can you execute your plays without making mental mistakes (no) and is there a rhythm to your play calling? Do you call the right plays at the right time for maximum efficiency and do you use one play to set up a future play (no)?
     
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  3. staticgator

    staticgator GC Legend

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    Back to the original topic, without running the numbers, I would think there are a lot of college head coaches who are their own offensive coordinators. But a large number of them were proven good offensive coordinators before they became head coaches. That’s why they got to the level to be head coaches. There is nothing wrong with head coaches who were good at being offensive coordinators remaining offensive coordinators.

    The bigger question is Billy Napier a good offensive coordinator? Dabo Swinney fired him as offensive coordinator. Nick Saban didn’t have him at offensive coordinator. His only real run in his career at offensive coordinator has been when he was also head coach. At his prior stop at Louisiana his team won a lot with him as offensive coordinator, but did anyone look at that offense and say that’s what we gotta have?
     
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  4. orangeblue_coop

    orangeblue_coop GC Hall of Fame

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    It has yet to be determined how much of that was on him or other factors
     
  5. tommyvee

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    Fair assessment by Seth on the offense and it wasn’t as bad as we think.

     
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  6. Tolbert1906

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    ^This guy gets it. :emoji_clap:
     
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  7. WC53

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    agree it was a reasonable take. Throw to the back ;) and need more quick speed routes to help out the line and run game.
    Very similar to comments made last year. Positives that mertz looked better than anticipated. Getting wilson and the backs more involved will be a net gain.
     
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  8. Claygator

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    Oh how the facts hurt.
     
  9. Claygator

    Claygator GC Hall of Fame

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    I disagree with your assessment of Utah's team being better last year. Their coach doesn't agree either, and says this is his best team. But I guess you know better than him.

    There is also the small part about last year's game being in Gainesville, which you conveniently don't mention.
     
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  10. docspor

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    Min requirements IMO:
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    2. Can count backwards from 30
    3. Can hold one hand parallel to the ground on top of a hand perpendicular to the ground
     
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  11. orangeblue_coop

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    I don’t see what the location of the game matters. Fact is we had a QB who found a way to beat a healthy Utah team who had their best QB playing.
     
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  12. TGATAH

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    Genius...
     
  13. Wanne15

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    We will see on Sundays real soon. His short game was pretty bad and Mullen isn’t horrible. I doubt Napier is either. Mertz just did just fine throughing short. Coaches didn’t make AR miss all those short throws. He’s just a work in progress that can run and is pretty good on longer throws given time. He needs more time I think. Qbs need the short quick stuff in tge nfl especially as bread and butter to enable the other stuff to work. He isn’t getting the preparation so I hope he picks it up quick.
     
  14. okeechobee

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    Blame the player, not the coach. When are college teams going to figure out the formula? Just take your best player and make him the coach.
     
  15. gbranton

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    Or the number of teams with a “Gamechanger Coordinator”.
     
  16. orangeblue_coop

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    Short throws aren’t the end all and be all. AR couldn’t throw short, yet found a way to dominate in other aspects and emerge victorious over Cam Rising and Utah. Meanwhile Mertz and his perfect short throws couldn’t beat Rising’s backup.
     
  17. Matthanuf06

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    1. We obviously need more attention to detail with special teams. That just isn’t even a question

    2. Offense is trickier. I’m in the camp that we need an OC. Billy has never been a great OC. He’s oscillated between bad enough to get fired and good. So most likely we get someone at Billy’s level as OC.

    The true benefit is it frees Billy up for doing the things he’s supposedly great at. The entire CBN value proposition was organization, details, CEO, etc. So far it’s been one of the worst parts of the team, so it’s fair to say Billy is stretched thin.
     
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  18. RealGatorFan

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    Well Mullen wasn't a great coach either. Keep in mind had Mullen kept his job, AR wouldn't have been drafted in the 1st because EJ would have started with AR hitting the portal. The same Mullen who chose Franks over Trask even after Trask shined the 1st time Franks got hurt. If Franks hadn't gotten hurt the 2nd time, Trask would be working a 9-to-5 job today.

    Napier reminds me of me. I have been a software engineer for 3 decades and I still gave the biggest software design tasks to myself when I became a team lead and then architect simply because I still wanted to code. Over time I decided I wanted to code so I gave up being a manager. Napier is going to have to ask himself does he want to be a corrdinator or a head coach. In the SEC, it's hard to do both and unlike all the other programs that have their HBC calling plays, Napier has 3 times the staff to manage. Focus on managing them and leave the playcalling to someone who can dedicate all of his time to it, not just a few minutes a day.
     
  19. g8trjax

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    Has anyone in the media had the balls to ask Napier the OC question, or is it just forum talk?
     
  20. shane4three

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    Jimbo too with Petrino and they put up good numbers.