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Pandemic brought highest rates of teen homicide, young adult suicide since 2001

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gator95, Jun 16, 2023.

  1. tripsright

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    @tilly sums it up nicely above imo. With all the apparent unknowns, I can’t see how it wasn’t prudent to initially “lockdown”. However, I certainly hope we’ve learned some valuable lessons to be applied in the future. Imo the lockdowns/restrictions were enforced for far too long. I’m not a science denier type of person, but, it almost appeared to become an issue of intellectual vanity. Like easing back restrictions was some admission of fault for ever having enacted them, at all.
    To the op’s original point, I don’t get how anyone can refute the collateral damage caused by the long-term lockdowns.
     
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  2. gator95

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    LOL. Keep thinking that when the data shows otherwise. Look at FL and CA. Very close in all cause deaths(FL was better slightly) but handled Covid totally different. It's ok to admit you were wrong. It's embarrassing that you and others continue to think lockdowns and school closures worked.
     
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  4. gator95

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    LOL. I said suicides would go up. They went up. You were wrong. Again. I was right. Again. Sucks for you. You were wrong now on Lockdowns, school closures, masks and now on suicides. You are on one hell of a heater of being wrong. A broken clock is at least right twice a day. You, not so much.
     
  5. mdgator05

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    No, you said they would go up in 2020. You tried to bet me on it over and over again (a fact that should be examined for its obvious craziness). You were wrong, as they fell 3%.
     
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  6. tripsright

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    Sigh….the intellectual vanity is this thread wreaks, too.
     
  7. gator95

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    NOPE. Here is the data skippy. It's ok, I know you don't take losing well. That chart doesn't go down.

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  8. AzCatFan

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    Suicide rates going up when things returned to a semblance of normalcy post pandemic is unfortunate, but not unexpected. But like many things with the pandemic, there's no winning. Only mitigation. Losing millions of more grandparents, parents, and adults like teachers that effect teenagers on a daily basis by keeping thing open would have also had detrimental effects on the mental health of teens. As the article states, when a child loses a closed loved one, suicide ideation increases significantly in the first month after the death.

    As for Sweden having lower excess death totals, there is a correlation between high vaccination rates and low excess death totals. Sweden has the 5th highest vaccination rate in EU countries. It also has several built in advantages such as the highest rate of single occupancy households, average household of 2.1 persons, and Stockholm leading the way in WFH rates at nearly 50%. After a disastrous start with excess deaths in Sweden, once they took lockdown measures, things quickly turned. Having a high vaccination rate also helped.
     
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  9. mdgator05

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    It should be noted that your chart is only for one age group (15-19), and that suicides decreased overall in 2020. You probably should have noted that.
     
  10. gator95

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    No, they only went down if you account for 10-14, which is not the age group we were discussing. We discussed HS aged kids. Good try.
     
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  11. mdgator05

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    We were discussing overall suicides. You tried to bet me that suicides would go up in 2020. I said that isn't how suicides work. Suicides fell in 2020 by 3%, across all age groups (not just teens).

    People are actually pretty good at getting through trauma. What people suck at is adjusting back to normal from trauma. Covid was a traumatic event. A million people died. That is a statistic, but when you really think about it, those were people's family and friends. People generally don't kill themselves on the way home from a funeral. Suicides happen when people have to adjust back to normal life and suddenly everything becomes trauma. You are late for work and you know your boss is going to yell at you and instead of feeling stressed, you feel like it's the worst day of your life again. You get into what should be a minor fight with your significant other and suddenly you want to die because it is the worst day of your life. People kill themselves when that doesn't stop.

    Again, if this was an intellectual exercise, look at the patterns of suicide after Katrina for good evidence of this. But I know this is more pathology than intellectual debate. Seriously, and I don't say this as some sort of dominance exercise, you should examine why you thought it was appropriate to bet strangers on the Internet about how many people would kill themselves (especially given your claims that you had a fairly recent suicide in your family) and still hold resentment about the fact that you weren't right about that in 2020 and less people killed themselves that year than in the previous year.
     
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  12. gator95

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    No, suicides came up because of the discussion on school closures and how that would cause suicides to go up if kids aren't in school. I think you need to look in the mirror and come to grips with the fact you were 100% wrong on lockdowns, school closures, masks and suicides. Admitting it is the first step. It's ok. I'll move on once you come clean. Suicides went up during the pandemic. Data is clear.
     
  13. mdgator05

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    Okay feel free to show me where in any of your attempts to bet me on this you said you only wanted the bet on how many people would commit suicide to only include the age group from 15-19. If you can't do that, I'm going to say that you need to stop lying and examine your own actions, both then and now. The Covid thread still exists, so you should be able to find that restriction on your attempts to bet me (BTW, our first interaction on this issue was related to death reporting on Covid overall, not schools, in post #15406 for you). Good luck.
     
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  14. duggers_dad

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    Keep your eye on the big numbers: ENORMOUS excess deaths since 2020. All can easily be attributed to the effects of panic and despair, no deadly pathogen you can breathe and spit on others needed.
     
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    Possibly for the rest of your life.
     
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    NOPE. You are lying. It's ok, everyone here sees it. I'm right. You go prove me wrong. Suicides went up. You were wrong, yet again.
     
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  19. mdgator05

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    Suicides did not go up in 2020. They went down in 2020. Here is the data:

    In 2019, there were 47,511 suicides in the US for a rate of 13.9 per 100,000 people. In 2020, there were 45,979 suicides for a rate of 13.5 per 100,000 people.

    Given that 47,511>45,979, I have proved you wrong. I am sorry that you really wanted more people to kill themselves and they didn't. More for the first part than the second.

    Suicide Data and Statistics | Suicide | CDC
     
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