Orlando Police Bodycam Footage of The Shooting Last Weekend

Thanks for the thoughtful conversation and analysis.

 

Most cops experience a pretty uneventful civil service job and retire with a generous pension in their 50s, but they pretend like its doing 5 tours in 'Nam and rubes like you buy it

 

If you're drunk/stoned and behind the wheel of a car, I'm already halfway hoping the cop finds a way to shoot you for being so reckless and stupid. So when suspect has been asked repeatedly to keep his hand on the wheel and then reaches to grab something, yeah. The suspect was asking for it long before the cop arrived. Drinking and getting high can lead to making a bad decision.

 

How about you go back to playing your trumpet and leave us real people alone?

 

Sometimes you libs deserve it.

 

At least you're honest - so you do believe that people deserve to be shot for a) sitting in a parked car while intoxicated and b) for not following directions. Got it.

 

At 0:20 of the video, the officer is commanding the driver to turn over the items in is hands. The left hand is holding a cellphone, clearly nothing illegal about that. The object of interest is in the right hand. What is that? Is that a baggie or something wrapped in foil? As the driver actually hands it over, it appears to be aluminum foil. What's in the foil? If people think it's something illegal, what specifically?

Curious to read the police report and see what their reasonable suspicion to detain him was. He was ordered to turn the car off....that's a detention. He was ordered to turn over objects in his hands. I suspect without researching it that would require probable cause. The cop opened the car door without permission. If the cop didn't have the legal authority to command those things, the driver had a legal right to ignore them.

 

You may already be aware, so sorry for any redundancy, but this was part of an operation explicitly intended to target drug dealing in the vicinity. I took it to be like a DUI checkpoint; didn't they used to have to publicly announce those in some capacity...don't recall.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

This type of encounter does not fall under check point rules. It's a traditional 4th amendment analysis case.

Yes, Sobriety Check points must be posted in advance. Check out this website for upcoming Florida locations.

Recent Florida DUI Checkpoints

 

I do not advocate for death often. Only for those that are clearly animals/monsters… so I find it sad that a life was ended.
At the same time some are acting like the cop shot the suspect for refusing to show ID or some other simple command. That’s not the case. He didn’t shoot because his commands were not followed as some keep suggesting( I assume because it makes their case against cops stronger) but because he acted in a way that could be perceived as threatening.
“Show me your hands, don’t move”
And the suspect immediately lunges for the glove compartment. that’s more than not following commands.

 

Where was the weapon? What was the reasonable suspicion/probable cause to order him to do things to begin with?

 

Looked to me that when the cop opened the door the victim thought he was supposed to get out so he reached down to unbuckle (you can see clearly he's buckled) and hit the center console. Or maybe he was reaching for his registration that he didnt find in his glove compartment? Or maybe he was high and had no concentration? Could be a million things.

I can see how a 'roided up cop, elevating a situation, could see the console pop open and think he's reaching for a gun but the whole stop looked bad. The cop showed very poor communication. He aggressively told him not to move and yelled like a movie cop to escalate the confusion level. How about some clear direction as to what is going to happen and what he should do other than freeze for an indefinite period of time? Clearly... there... was... no... gun.. so that is the definition of a bad shoot.

 

Note to thugs or drunk drivers or drug addicts or just normal people who happen to be in a suspicious position.....When told to put your hands on the steering wheel and don't move do it. The odds are 99.99999% that you are going to survive and if you are not doing anything wrong the odds are 99.99% you will be cleared no matter what your race, sexual orientation or age is. Use the brain God gave you for goodness sakes.

 

Meanwhile .........................

Video: Hillsborough County deputies rescue non-verbal child with autism from pond (fox13news.com)

HONOTOSASSA, Fla. - A 4-year-old boy is safe after he was rescued from a pond by Hillsborough County deputies.

The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office says a concerned neighbor called 911 early Tuesday morning about a young child running across the street and into a nearby pond.

Deputies waded through deep, murky water and marshy weeds in a pond near Valleyridge Court.

They say they spotted the 4-year-old boy, who they later determined has autism and is nonverbal.

 

Didn't see a lunge or move to the glove compartment. It looked like he reached his right hand down to the center console where obviously he was hiding a machete, handgun, or a pair of deadly nunchucks. Shoot him!

 

If the cops lacked reasonable suspicion to detain him, he had every right to either drive off or tell them to pound sand.

 

Rule #1: don’t get behind the wheel of a car when drunk or stoned. All bets are off on multiple levels when you do so, but in a police officer’s mind, he’s already investigating drug related charges. You were crazy enough to get behind the wheel of a car while inebriated. Then you were crazy enough to not follow very clear instruction the police officer gave you. So any police officer is going to be at Defcon 1 in that scenario and expect the worst. Time and again it has been proven if a police officer fails expect the worst in that scenario, they are the ones that end up dead. What’s the first thing a police officer says when he/she approaches a vehicle under suspicion like this? “Put your hands on the wheel.” Every time. Why do you suppose they say that first thing?

 

You’re being intentionally obtuse. You know as well as I do, a police officer doesn’t have the luxury of waiting to see what someone grabs from a console. They have to assume it’s a gun or else they end up dead. That’s why they very sternly tell you to glue your hands to the steering wheel. It’s not like they scream that at you for shits and giggles.

 

Perhaps the cops should say "put your hands on the wheel and keep them there or I will shoot you dead." Then again, there's probably a reason they don't say that . What should be rule #1 for the police? I'd propose that rule #1 should be don't shoot non-violent suspects just because they didn't follow okeechobee's rule #1.