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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gator515151, May 20, 2023.

  1. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

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    Is this really the hill you want to defend with all our your might?
     
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    Drug dealer with a gun should be reclassified...
     
  3. rivergator

    rivergator Too Hot Mod Moderator VIP Member

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    Huh? The story is quite clear. These are his previous convictions.
     
  4. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 GC Hall of Fame

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    And you think he should have had his previous sentence commuted by Obama? That's fine of you think he was over sentenced, but look what that got him? He and Obama look bad over this...
     
  5. AgingGator

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    Must be really sad to go through life without a sense of humor.
     
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  6. middleoftheroadgator

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    Do you have data of the rate of recidivism for Obama commutations vs the overall %?

    I need something to compare it against. 1 out of how many? Or is certain right wing media sites putting this out there to reinforce your beliefs that the LEFT is somehow soft on crime and here is another example. Sound about right?
     
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  7. docspor

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    that's a funny slip given your pt.
     
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  8. Gatorrick22

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    I never stated that he had a bad record of recidivism... I simply stated that this one dangerous drug dealer made he and Obama look bad. There is more to these kinds of bad decisions than statistics.

    However, I am sure that there are statistic's of recidivism on people that went to prison.
     
  9. okeechobee

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    If he didn't commit a violent offense with a gun prior to commutation, I'm okay with the commutation. 22 years is a long time to serve. There are murderers who serve less time than that. If he committed a crime while using a firearm prior to commutation, then that's a different story given his multiple convictions of other crimes.
     
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  10. middleoftheroadgator

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    No. This news is meant to create the appearance of a bad decision to make Obama look bad. I just don't operate that way. I need MORE of the story and the overall context. For example, did Obama commute 500 people and have ONE go bad? By itself, that decision appears bad. In context, 1/500 is near perfect. Anyone can twist a single action into this perceived negative narrative. I don't buy into that crap. Same with the left, no can do. What was left out of the story? Did the info left out now change the entire story? Too many times perception becomes reality. When in fact, there are many more layers.
     
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  11. Gatorrick22

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    He does look bad...
     
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  12. AgingGator

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    Damn Apple.
     
  13. docspor

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    EVERYONE EVERYWHERE should fear a justice system that never lets a guilty person go free or that never lets out folks that then commit crimes.

    freedom isn't free
     
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  14. AgingGator

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    Agree. Mistakes are made in investigation, trial, and sentencing. They are also made parole, commutation, and pardons. Given the options, I think we overall have it right.
     
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    It is probably an inconvenient truth that the war on drugs brought into prison other people that were criminals or soon to be criminals. But at the same time I don’t think you can use a justification to incarcerate for decades drug offenders who weren’t otherwise criminals.

    It’s my understanding criminal conspiracy can be pretty broad. I recall see a show , maybe frontline, about a young black man who was a star athlete, got caught up with some drug dealers and ended up driving a couple of them to a drug deal, was charged with conspiracy and got life in prison. Even the jurors who found him guilty felt really bad about the extreme sentence. I think the actual drug dealers plead out and either got off or a short sentence.
     
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  16. AgingGator

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    War On Drugs, like all government “one size fits all” programs and initiatives, has been a failure. Probably could have just doubled the spending for prevention and still would have gotten a better outcome.
     
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  17. docspor

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    Legalize. Less gov, less wasted money, less crime, less tainted drugs. Is it good policy. NO! It is the least bad policy.
     
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  18. AgingGator

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    I still can’t get those that word out of my mouth but it is getting closer everyday.
     
  19. magnetofsnatch

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    Not even a sliver of a sense of humor with that one.
     
  20. avogator

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    It is always risky giving people second chances. Senate republicans voted no on impeachment for Trump for the January 6 crimes. Now they have a front runner facing indictment in New York, Likely indictment in Georgia And a federal indictment for stealing classified documents from the Government and refusing to return them when he got caught. They could have barred in from ever being President again but felt he needed their love and encouragement.
     
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