On the value of college

You certainly define the elitist!

 

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What in them world are you talking about?

Well actually you may also be the elitist who sees a people as lesser based on the job they are doing?!

 

It is not always about today. How much debt did you take? How much potential is there to build if you thrive in your craft? Do you live what you are doing making it not even feel like work?

 

Okay

 

How many of them are actually working in their studied field? It's definitely not close to 90%, so the data is skewed. How many sociologists out there are majored in that field? How many are working a different field. The way it reads now it sounds like a good deal, I can get that degree and make 83k eventually. What it fails to say is alot don't make it and are working at Starbucks with 40k in student loans. The actual mean is alot lower than 83k.

 

I'm pointing out how dependent on framing your beliefs really are. You needed to imagine some millionaire who chooses to take on a menial (and frankly low satisfaction) job to make your point. If you were forced to deal with reality, which is that toll booth operators aren't bored millionaires but people with limited skills or problematic histories from a work perspective who, thus, have limited options, then suddenly, if somebody says "we should pay toll booth operators more," you would talk about how we shouldn't be paying poor and lazy people more and talking about bootstraps and the such.

 

Ok, but you are the guy that thinks the garbage man could be a retired multimillionaire so I'm not sure you're qualified to define anything, or is looking down on your credentials to do that 'elitist' too?

 

Does that really matter? That argument seems to work against your point that colleges are vocational. If going to college opens up high income options outside of your chosen major, it is not vocational. Going to learn AC repair from a vocational school doesn't make me a welder. But if getting a sociology degree makes me more attractive to another high paying career, college is not purely vocational.

 

Today is when the comparison looks best for those without a college degree. As time passes they fall further and further behind.

 

We can support and guide our kids without demonizing higher education - which is what politicians and talking heads on the right have been doing now FOR YEARS.
Even the language of some of the people on this thread show the damage that has been done.
The "elitists"
You can be an elitist A-hole and not even have a single degree. Degree holders don't hold the monopoly on being elitist.
And yeah - I would think we would have learned a lot from the pandemic - grocery store employees - HUGELY IMPORTANT. Doctors and medical workers? ALSO HUGELY IMPORTANT. One requires extensive education and the other does not, it doesn't make either less essential to the running of the nation.
And the training of those medical workers need not be made political!
Higher education is not an enemy of this republic - but rather its greatest resource! Don't be brainwashed!

 

Talk about judgmental BS! You truly are an elitist. Funny thing is I used the example I did based on personal/life experience. But you certainly nailed what I would expect from an elitist. Keep looking down on those who you perceive as underneath you…

 

Interesting story line, Just this morning I was sitting in a dentist chair while the dentist was working on me he was telling the nurse about his uncle who retired with a small fortune and does not need the money but went back to work as a Walmart greeter and loves interacting with people. My thought sitting there in the dentist chair was. Walmart greeter, that's the job that we all laugh at. Now Q brings up a similar situation. It happens.

 

Uh huh, that definitely happened

 

Wow, so are you saying you are underneath him? Dont worry, one day, if you work hard enough, you can retire with millions of dollars and work in a tollbooth too!

 

You are making stuff up now. That said. I see the guy working for a waste management company equal to me. They may have aspirations of leading the business and working their way up. They may not. But we are people. Neither better than the other. We have made decisions. And whenever I am around and able to chat you will find people engaging in that manner.

 

Great that's good to hear. But the fact that the garbage man earns less than you probably do means that our capitalist economy looks down on him and what he does. Maybe the garbage man thinks you are a rich elitist who looks down on him, and maybe he should because the market rewards you and not him. People do internalize that stuff because its reified by material conditions.

 

Dont be surprised one day if you go
to Cinnamon Beach and hand a couple busclsm

No. And you know that was not the context. You know the context is you look down in those who do not meet your standards. It really is sad and unfortunate!

***I fixed it to help you***

 

You certainly define an elitist…

 

Platitudes of "we're all in this together" and "every job is as important as every other job" fall awfully flat from folks whose major political goals include gutting the social safety net that provides basic subsistence and health care to low-income earners on the theory that it will encourage them to make better choices.

 

I do define an elitist as someone like you, who likes to pretend class or inequality doesnt exist because its suits their oligarchic politics.