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Ocoee Election Massacre

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by philnotfil, Nov 2, 2022.

  1. gator_lawyer

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    Do they have the choice to walk out of the prison any time they want to and go live somewhere else? Stop digging. If you want to defend slavery, have at it.
     
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  2. fda92045

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    And hopefully you would be aware that in many cases its not a choice of A) don't do crime B) do crime -- there are a lot of underlying factors that lead to people ending up in prison -- like poverty. Which is why prison labor is extremely exploitive and can be akin to slave labor.
     
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  3. Gator515151

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    Well hopefully if a family member of yours is ever harmed or killed it will be by somebody living in poverty. I'm sure you will feel much about it if that is the case.
     
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  4. Orange_and_Bluke

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  5. G8tas

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    Here is another prime example of one that doesn't know anything about the Black Codes
     
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  7. bigDgator

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    One thing I have learned about the people who are incarcerated is that the vast majority of them are not very bright at all. I am not sure what we can do about it in a society that rewards people who are smart and punishes people who are not. I know ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law, but it really is a problem.
     
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  8. G8tas

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  9. tilly

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    It's pretty simple. Don't put false words in my mouth that validate your narrative. At least use that as the starting point.

    Is that to much to ask?
     
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  10. gatorchamps960608

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    You are now guilty of promoting CRT. If you are a resident of Florida, please turn yourself over to the local authorities.
     
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  11. tampagtr

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    You just suffer the burden of the individual that has the most perfectly reasonable opinions, finer than any others. Unfortunately and unfairly, these positions are difficult to perfectly articulate to capture their subtle moral exquisiteness, and your purity of intent can be distorted by injecting in undesirable context and consequences
     
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  12. tilly

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    Good lord man. He totally flipped my words. I never came close to saying what he did. Defending that tells me this is just partisan hackery.

    The amount of dishonesty from the extremes here is sad.

    I never... Ever... Questioned the teaching of history of how racial injustice is important.
     
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  13. mrhansduck

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    Someone mentioned the importance and impact of local and regional history in understanding where we have come from and where we currently are in terms of race. I wasn't looking for it but ran into a new documentary on Netflix last night called Descendant.

    The crux of the story is that federal law banned the importation of new slaves from Africa beginning in 1808. But a rich family in Mobile, Alabama decided in 1860 (reportedly based upon a bet) to see if they could get away with it. They funded a voyage to Africa and purchased more than 100 Africans in what would be the last slave ship to America. It's not merely historical. It also addresses ongoing industrial zoning disputes between the community and the City, which involves property owned by the very descendants of the family who had illegally brought the slaves and tried to destroy evidence of the ship. Experts believe they have found the sunken and burned ship.

    This community is only about an hour drive from my house. Shouldn't matter, but that makes it feel more real to me for some reason. Another issue to consider in this discussion is how important it is for these folks to understand their history and ancestry - something that many Black Americans are unable to ever know.

    'Descendant': Netflix Debuts Trailer for Sundance-Winning Documentary - Variety

    Directed by Margaret Brown, the documentary focuses on members of Africatown, a small community in Alabama, as they share their personal stories and community history as descendants of the Clotilda, the last known ship illegally carrying enslaved Africans to the United States.

    The ship arrived in America 40 years after African slave trading became a capital offense. It was promptly burned and its existence denied, but now, as the documentary’s logline explains, “after a century shrouded in secrecy and speculation, descendants of the Clotilda’s survivors are reclaiming their story.”

    Wikipedia:

    Africatown - Wikipedia
     
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  14. Rocinante

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    How is being open and transparent about bad past behavior political in any way. It’s certainly philosophical and a deep dive into ethics. It’s only political because the particular period I discussed hits close to home. I am a huge believer in presentism when I analyze history. Would an ethical person at that time commit those acts; should they have been aware that certain behaviors were wrong. When it comes to slavery; our founders were very aware that slavery was wrong; hell most of the Northern states outlawed slavery before 1820. Many b4 the US was a country. England; the world power had eliminated it by 1830s. Spain, of all countries had stopped it early on. So the argument that it was acceptable at the time is horse pucky. Point is; none of history if analyzed objectively and under a strict lens of presentism is not political it’s just objective and scientific.
     
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  15. tampagtr

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    We watched that last week and I have Barracoon on reserve. Very powerful
     
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  16. tampagtr

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    Very powerful. But I just write to praise your avatar and screen name.
     
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  17. metalcoater

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    Because it is history and things change. Why rally about how terrible Americans were 100 years ago. While the rest of the non-western world is ok with it. I guess they do not care what you think, nor do I.
     
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  18. BLING

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    I guess this is where someone should point out Christianity is based on stories from 2000 years ago and books written well over 1000 years ago.

    Since apparently history ages out after 100 years, it must be long past time to burn those bibles.
     
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  19. metalcoater

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    It seems like smart or dumb, if you break the law you go to jail. I am not sure if it matters how smart you are. If smart you probably would not be caught,
     
  20. tampagtr

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    Kareem this am on the issue generally, in his consistently brilliant substack


    My Take: Most parents want their children to do better than them. Unfortunately, “doing better” for many means only financially. Education in their eyes is only a means to an end: a lucrative career. However, the goal should also be for their children to thrive intellectually, to be even smarter than the parents, not just in a profession, but in critical thinking.

    Yet, the desire to rule over their children’s education is really about the parents’ fear that their children will abandon the beliefs and values they were raised with and thereby become estranged from the parents. They fear their brainwashing may be overwritten by school brainwashing. Our educational goals are to teach children how to avoid any kind of brainwashing, whether by parents or schools. We try to give them the tools to think logically so that they can’t be manipulated by anyone, whether loved ones, bosses, or politicians.

    Disagreeing with opinions parents have doesn’t mean the children will stop loving them, unless the parent makes agreeing a condition of being loved. In that case, that parent doesn’t deserve the child’s love. I like nothing better than having a lively, but respectful, conversation with my children. If they prove me wrong about one of my opinions, then I can be proud I did my job as a parent.
     
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