Ocoee Election Massacre

It’s not “made up rhetoric”, it’s history. I’d never heard of this one or the Tulsa race massacre, and with Tulsa we know there was a conscious effort to bury the record for a long time. I assume it was the case with this example of FL history as well. Seems like something big enough that at least FL schools should probably reflect on it or have students come across it in their history studies (especially where there are specific studies at the state level).

Yes, commonly studied history does include some examples of atrocities of the past (don’t think it’s all been sanitized by ideologues), but seems a bit crazy to bury what should be the particularly notable examples.

History should present as much as possible, it shouldn’t bury the worst nor should it overemphasize the worst. But it’s important to show the contrast and you don’t get that with sanitized versions. It’s also important to consider recent history and current events where some of these issues appear to be backsliding.

 

Uhh the experience of you helping raise black children. And its weird you say that, because you don't act like it and rush to defend some pretty disgusting viewpoints.

Yes, they do. The point of them is not just to point out the horrific events, but to show how much we have hidden from people about the monstrosities committed towards black americans. Its pretty obvious given the sensitivity most white people show when they get checked about certain behaviors that are racist.

 

My senior year 1969 we had a black defensive end Henry Lawrence who never started a game because the Good Old Boys of Manatee County were not going to have a black player start at their school. Henry should have got a scholarship to a major university but had to settle for Florida A&M because of being a non starter in high school. He was an All American at A&M and a first round draft pick by the Okland Raiders. Henry now owns 3 Superbowl rings and played in 2 pro bowls. Coach John Madden has claimed if Henry had blocked for a right handed QB he would probably be in the hall of fame but Right Tackles don't make the hall of fame. I don't know where that comes from but I have heard Madden say it. I think it has something to do with protecting the QBs blind side.

 

History doesn’t get an expiration date. Who did what to who and why should never grow old

 

Thank you for a more in depth explanation of your thoughts. I agree that there is a place for a more exhaustive elective on this issue.

I teach AP US Government and social movements are part of my mandated curriculum.I teach the background of the civil rights movement and use pertinent examples through readings and videos, all age/school appropriate.

 

Speaking of the Tulsa race massacre, they've been digging up victims and just a few days ago found 21 coffins in unmarked graves. Very symbolic of how America likes to "bury" certain ugly parts of its history.


21 new coffins found in search for Tulsa Massacre victims

The search for remains of victims of the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre has turned up 21 additional coffins in unmarked graves in the city’s Oaklawn Cemetery, officials said.

Seventeen adult-size graves were located Friday and Saturday, Oklahoma State Archaeologist Kary Stackelbeck said Monday. Additionally, the city announced Tuesday that four graves, two adult-size and two child-size, had been found. The coffins, then the remains, will be examined to see if they match reports from 1921 that the victims were males buried in plain caskets.

“This is going to part of our process of discriminating which ones we’re going to proceed with in terms of exhuming those individuals and which ones we’re actually going to leave in place,” Stackelbeck said in a video statement.

The work, by hand, was still under way. The types of coffins and gender of the victims have not been determined, according to the city’s statement.

21 new coffins found in search for Tulsa Massacre victims

 

We don't need CRT to teach us about this. Why would you think that's the case?

 

Never heard of this. Thankfully we are a very different country today. There will always be more work to do since humans will and always have been terrible to each other.
Knowing our history hopefully keeps us from making the same terrible mistakes.

 

You actually have a problem with prisoners working? It costs Florida taxpayers over $20K annually for each prisoner and I have no problem with them being required to work and earn their keep during their incarceration.

And if the prisoners don’t like their job or pay, who cares? A lot of these people did some really bad things and maybe it will be another deterrent to stay out of trouble once (or if) they get out.

 

Every single major crime against humanity needs to be discussed and understood. I was 9 when my grandmother told me about the public hangings and burnings of black men on Cairo, Ga that she watched at 8. If she can handle watching it; I think teens can handle a historical truth. Also, told me about the awful crap her Uncle was made to do during the Indian wars. Like being forced to shoot an Indian boy under 10 tied to a pole. If the Indian boy can experience being murdered by the US military, teens can handle reading about it.

 

Human history is pretty awful, but you using it for politics is worse.

 

Theoretically no if we were thinking the worst criminals could use some hard labor as part of their sentence, but it’s rife for corruption and abuse, and it’s not like it’s the hardened criminals and murderers doing the labor. More likely it’s the low level criminals and drug offenders lucky enough to have this “privilege”.

It’s never a good idea to mix a profit motive with the administration of Justice. Basically only leads to corruption. When you give a traffic officer a “quota” of tickets to write, you risk turning it into a Waldo PD situation. The police will start looking for ways to “find” revenues. Similarly, what do you think happens when there are quotas to fill in private prisons or “work camps” where there are financial interests?

 

NOW we are having a discussion and you aren't putting words in my mouth.
That wasn't so hard.

 

LOL. You guys are trying to hard. The made up rhetoric is what they are claiming I am saying. Not the historical events.

 

It isn’t clear what you are saying.

Your issue seems to be that it was 100 years ago (and somehow irrelevant), but the study of history is basically studying things that happened 100 years ago, sometimes much more than 100 years ago.

I think it’s interesting that an event like the Tulsa massacre could have escaped national level historical interest, that is an “every history textbook in America should have this covered” type event, yet somehow it went largely forgotten (and we mostly know why). This one, as horrific as it sounds, maybe didn’t reach that level - the sad reality is there were probably a number of events like this that were either buried by history or never recorded.

 

I aspire to merit one of your validating posts stating that I have met the minimum standard for honest discourse

 

Based on this comment I am going to assume you know nothing about the Black Codes. This is a prime example of why this stuff should be taught in schools. Look up Black Codes and chain gangs and you will understand why your reply doesn't make sense

 

The West Virginia coal mine wars of the 1920s aren't covered much in the history books either but are just as much history worthy.

 

I have a problem with slave labor. Prisoners aren't in prison by choice. If Florida taxpayers don't like the cost, the state can incarcerate less people. Locking people up and then forcing them to work for no pay is slavery. And I don't like slavery, regardless of whether the person is "bad" or "good."

 

Who made the choice to do the crime?