Ocoee Election Massacre

This encompasses my point though. You teach about racism through the lens of slavery and Jim Crow etc. But where do you draw the line on individual events?

I think this seems big enough in my eyes, but I'm asking how do we as a society chose?

 

But you wont be here 100 years from now. Thats my point. What is the line? Will it be taught in generic terms, or case by case?

 

maybe. IMO there is no need to have a history discussion on Charles Manson. However if the crime is more than a one-off, and it’s a overall concern for a society, then potentially yes. Civil rights issues was a MAJOR concern in the US and especially if your were a African American at the time. This massacre was more than a unique event and part of widespread violence. Including a lack of justice from local gov. This all led to fed laws that did and does impact our society today.

For gun massacres, there is a large faction of our country (a majority) that believe our gov should do more about gun violence. So yes gun massacres could be covered in history a hundred years from now as it could result in a societal shift. Either by gov laws, civilians in living in fear, armed guards everywhere, etc.

 

Why would it? I like black people. I dislike white libbie self-righteous nerds, who are driving Policy into the ground with big bloated govt.

 

There’s plenty of history we could all learn. What’s your point. Sometimes enough is enough.
I also turn tv off when there’s an active mass shooter. I’m not as excited as you are in encouraging and giving attention to a violent past.

 

I was referring to The subject in general…this specific piece of history may not exactly bring young, diverse student population closer together. How bad would you feel if this gets shoved into a class and fights break out? Or did you attend a whitey school where it didn’t matter what was discussed in class. There is a line is there not?

 

Pretty crazy I grew up in Florida and I never learned about this.

 

Let's see:
You said you're not saying it shouldn't be taught, but that high schoolers are too young and impressionable for such subject matter.
You claimed it's already taught, but warn about the dangers if it were actually taught.

anything else?
geez

 

What a jerk...

DeSantis declares Ocoee Massacre Remembrance Day

 

Stop.
The subject of racism, Jim Crow is already in the curriculum and being taught in schools. That is what I meant.
This specific piece of history about Ocoee has not been presented to our knowledge. And I questioned whether it should be.
Thanks.

 

History really doesn't have a "shelf life."

Individual events are part of the whole and this case it helps to illustrate the dangers that black people faced during the Jim Crow era here in Florida as it pertained to exercising their right to vote.

Should we not teach other topics because they're " a 100 years old?"

 

I think school shootings are an interesting analogy. I would distinguish them because they don't go to the core of our democracy (republic) as do hateful or extremist movements for which our government itself was responsible or at least fostered. We have seen the tides of anti-Semitism and xenophobia ebb and flow here and across the globe. We have seen that racial, ethnic or religious minorities can be targeted in politics based upon nationalistic sentiment, economics, or terrorist acts.

Perhaps in 100 years, things will be different. There will be a much higher percentage of mixed race people, for example, and maybe that will change the dynamic. AI may help or make things worse. I dunno. But I don't think it's consistent with human history to let our guard down. People often think that teaching about our warts suggests America is not special or worth fighting for. I disagree. I think remembering the bad helps us to put into context how far we've come. Obama commonly talked about this and has cautioned the left to not lose perspective. It's definitely a balancing act, which I think he handled well despite being called a racist by many on the right for daring to state the obvious about some of this stuff. And it's not like we're the only country that has had and still has some warts. I think of this when I see Black athletes being harassed in Europe or China.

I will concede that I'm particularly sensitive to the teaching of racial history given my recollection of my own schooling and the White washing of history. I think many White Americans really never wanted to have this discussion and wanted to move on almost immediately after Jim Crow. Some were still racist but couldn't admit it publicly. Others didn't want to be made to feel guilty. Even after I've spent time reading this stuff, it's shocking how recently much of it occurred. So I always take the suggestion that we just need to move on with a grain of salt and a belief that a lot of people never wanted to have the conversation/education in the first place.

 

The same way educators have always chosen which historical events to cover in class and which not. It doesn’t involve the government getting involved and deciding what’s forbidden from discussion.

 

I learned about the French Revolution growing up. I did not learn about every single individual event that made up the French Revolution. I seriously doubt, however, that the state government got involved at any point to decide which events in the French Revolution are suitable for discussion and which are off limits. It’s government overreach.

 

I think promoting unity from history in stories about blacks would be more meaningful and impactful.
I like this story better for students.

A handshake from a white teammate signaled Jackie Robinson’s arrival in America’s game
The framed black-and-white image showed the two teammates from the Montreal Royals shaking hands at home plate on April 18, 1946. It was Robinson’s first regular-season game in the formerly all-white minor leagues, a milestone for baseball and for America that came a year before Robinson broke Major League Baseball’s color barrier for the Brooklyn Dodgers.

 

We don’t have to keep hate alive. We can choose positive stories to show how far we’ve come.

 

You teach overall themes like Jim Crow, but when it's appropriate, you should also bring in local examples that brings the history closer to home. I don't think they need to learn about the Ocoee Massacre all over the nation. But in Florida? It hits home that the world kids see today in Florida was very different 100 years ago.

And sorry, but you can't just teach all the good stuff and leave out the bad. Kids need context. Why are the good things so good if things were never so bad? Good doesn't exist without evil.

 

I like stories like these and would love for them to be included. Never in my wildest dreams would I want the government to make ANY historical event off limits from discussion. Including this one. But I’m not a big government guy.

 

I think the bad is inherent when we speak of slavery. Nobody sitting around thinking, oh it wasn’t that bad.