NYT Opinion: Red & Blue States becoming different countries

mdgator05 · Dec 17, 2023

duggers_dad said: ↑

Lincoln on the phone to you. Something about deporting blacks before the South had an opportunity to do it.
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Putin on the phone for you. He would be happy to keep you personally in a country by gunpoint. He has lots of experience with that sort of thing in East Germany. It might be an environment you would prefer.

chuikov · Dec 17, 2023

l_boy · Dec 17, 2023

citygator said: ↑

Janelle Bowie of the NYT points out the obvious. Democrats still believe that governing for the common good is possible by passing laws that improve access, choice, and the ability for you to live your life as you wish whereas Republicans have abandoned the hope of governing for the common good and have embraced government as a tool to force a common social agenda. No arguments here.

I linked the Salt Lake paper since it is free.

Opinion: Red states and blue states are becoming different countries

It seems obvious to say, but if you want a real sense of the differences between America’s two major parties — and if you want a sense of what the future could bring if either party wins full control of the federal government next year — all you have to do is look at the states.

Where Republicans have gained this kind of full control over state legislatures and statehouses, they have used that authority in pursuit of policies meant to curtail the ability of people in their states to live as they please

Americans are often taught to think of the differences between Republicans and Democrats as a set of reasonable disagreements over how to tackle agreed-upon problems. But what we can see, in the divergent agendas of Republican-led states and Democrat-led states, is how the differences have far more to do with the actual purpose of government.

For Democrats, that purpose is usually the public good. For Republicans, that purpose is harsh social regulation, with little apparent regard for the lives of those who have to endure these policies.
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I will certainly agree on many social issues, and to a degree safety net, school and infrastructure issues. By the same token some blue states get themselves so mired in regulation such as taxes or properly zone usage or small business regulation they can get bogged down and turn a good thing into a mess. I have a lot of criticisms of Republicans in TX but from a business perspective it is a more positive climate for business and employees that tends to benefit everybody.

duggers_dad · Dec 17, 2023

mdgator05 said: ↑

Putin on the phone for you. He would be happy to keep you personally in a country by gunpoint. He has lots of experience with that sort of thing in East Germany. It might be an environment you would prefer.
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tilly · Dec 18, 2023

Oh yes. The pRoGrESsIvE, all can think as they wish, with no government interference crowd is pounding their chest.

The Colorado baker is happy to see you have seen the light.

92gator · Dec 18, 2023

sierragator said: ↑

e.g. Look at the contrast between places like Texas or Florida versus blue states. One is a model for a theocratic dystopian police state ( if you try to leave to get an abortion we will arrest you). The other is not. They bark about liberty and limited government as they put restrictions in place.
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...and that's why Texas and Florida are hemorrhaging people?

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