NYT Article on UF Expulsion of Jewish Student

We are entering a really dark period. I honestly fear where we end up.

 

Desantis is destroying our state one school at a time. Perhaps if the student donates to the Hope Foundation then she can be reinstated

 

I could not agree more. So many of the things that we have taken for granted (and are essential to our democracy) are under attack at the same time.

 

Citizens being deported, legal residents being thrown in jails in foreign country prisons that we pay for, students kicked out of school or deported due to political speech, and political figures, law firms and other entities bowing in deference.

If it weren’t for my family and extended family I’d consider moving to another country. Seriously.

 

In service of a foreign government too in this case. I'm sure the US government so forcefully acting on behalf of Israeli Zionism against US citizens will stop all the conspiracy theories about global Judaism and people who say things like "Zionist Occupied Government."

 

Unlike you I actually support Israel. But I don’t support kicking people out of school merely for free speech that I happen to disagree with.

 

When you start throwing Jewish Students in jail and call them “anti-Semitic” you’d think that would cause some to take a step back and look at what they are doing.

 

This has been one of the most bizarre ideas I've seen taking off, and people are letting this go unchallenged.

Go GATORS!
,WESGATORS

 

That really generalizes what is happening. It’s a specific kind of speech that’s being punished and it’s directed at the state of Israel. A lot of people who should know better are making bets with fascists that it stops there because they support Israel. Not saying that's you, but that is what is happening.

 

Not just 'people,' literally the government and institutions adopting and codifying that idea, on a bipartisan basis.

 

is it fair for your family and extended family to prevent you from living a happy life in a country that supports the same values as you?

 

outrageous for the university to punish a student who violated the rules the university established.

 

The administration literally changed the rules so they could do this to these people, it wasn't some long standing thing they had punished people for in the past. Shit people have posted here about how they occupied buildings at UF back in the day during the Vietnam era.

 

wasn't aware that they changed the rules after her actions and then charged her for violating the rule

 

Look you can say she still knowingly broke their new rules they made just for these protests, but they still decided to arbitrarily add even more time to her suspension after the fact, just because. Thats the especially egregious part. Clearly trying to make examples of people.

 

The right used to be against hate speech laws. It was one of the issues where I was most certainly on their side. Unfortunately, a troubling about face has occurred since then.

As conservatives fought against cancel culture on college campuses, they developed a particular fondness for the First Amendment. It was un-American, they argued, to punish someone for exercising their right to speak freely.

Today, however, many of those same conservatives, now in power in state and federal government, are behind a growing crackdown on political expression at universities, in ways that try to sidestep the Constitution’s free-speech guarantees.

President Trump and Republican lawmakers say that new laws and policies are necessary to protect students from harmful and objectionable content, to prevent harassment and to discourage conformity.
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How the G.O.P. Went From Championing Campus Free Speech to Fighting It

 

They used to be against hate speech laws that stopped them from saying racist stuff, because their principle was being racist, not free speech

 

I imagine all movements include a mix of ideologically pure and corrupt members. Eg the fight for restricting alcohol sales on Sundays included both baptists and bootleggers.

Interestingly, one of the key moments in this hate speech / free speech fight was the Nazi demonstration in Skokie IL that was defended by the left more than the right. I think conservatives of the time were more connected to WWII and were not interested in giving Nazis any voice. Indeed the 1980s saw the right as a passionate advocate of open borders and the left pushing for keeping our immigrants.

I think either side can get pulled into defending a variety unfortunate perspectives if their group adopts that perspective. See the right’s defense of the J6 rioters, which would have been unthinkable just 10 years earlier.