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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatorchamps960608, Nov 9, 2022.

  1. AzCatFan

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    For Senate it was Rubio +16. For Governor, it was DeSantis +19. If the state-wide Arizona races were blowouts like this, the races would have been called already. For Senator in Arizona, it's been Kelly +5, and that race was called on Friday.

    Florida also has different laws. The cutoff date and time for mail-in ballots for Arizona is when polls close on Tuesday. In Florida, there is an earlier cut-off date. The percentage of voters that vote by mail is also different. It's less than half in Florida, whereas over 80% of votes in 2020 in Arizona were mail-in ballots.

    The reality is, as the sub-head reads in this link, "No state gets its count entirely 'done' on election night." But again, in Florida, there could be 1 million votes left to count, and it would be impossible to change the results. Rubio has more than 1.4 million votes than Demmings, and DeSantis has an even wider margin. Not true in Arizona, where for Governor, the count has always been within 50,000 votes since the day-of ballots were counted. Had Florida had closer races, and a lot more mail-in votes, they could not have been called on election night.

    Personally, I like the way Arizona does the vote. It gives the largest chance of people being able to vote. And the counts are extremely accurate, with an amount of fraud that is insignificant.
     
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  2. swampspring

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    Throw in the fact that Florida allows its election officials to process mail ballots weeks before elections. Its not an apples to apples comparison.
     
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  3. oragator1

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    Pinal dropped 3400 votes, went 68-31 roughly for Lake. Pretty much in line with her other drops there so no real movement. But there may be a few more votes in that county than thought, which would help her a bit. Still a tough road for her.
    My basic math says she had to win the Maricopa drop tonight by roughly 65-35 or she will lose, if the other counties continue with roughly the same percentages they have been.
    47k between Apache and Pima should net Hobbs 9500 if trends continue. The other 18k outside of maricopa should split roughly 65-35 for Lake. So she nets 5500 back maybe. Say it’s 28k after all that and there’s 94k left in maricopa, that’s 64.4 percent Lake would need to win.

    so right now, and again we will see what’s in the drops and the provisionals, cures etc, Hobbs would win by around 9k if tonight’s Maricopa around 60 percent for Lake, which could be optimistic.

    but all that was why Wasserman was saying Lake’s math is tough now. If she’s below 60 percent on the Maricopa drop and the Pima drop comes in like the others have, I think it will get called. We will March on if those numbers look better for Lake than expected.
     
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  4. AzCatFan

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    Maricopa County has been counting from the exterior of the county and working it's way towards downtown Phoenix. There are always a few votes from exterior areas from ballots that needed some curing (additional signature verification), but for the most part, the votes have come from outside and moving in. This means yesterday was likely Lake's best day. The votes counted Sunday came from the far suburbs, and Lake won about 51.5%. But it's the most populous suburbs of Phoenix like Gilbert/Mesa and Scottsdale in the east, and Peoria in the west that are the most red. Yesterday, Lake won 54.4%.

    Today's count should be mostly Phoenix proper. Certainly some red areas like around the Biltmore, but also some deep blue areas like around the Grand Canyon University campus. Again, still some outer county ballots counted as well, and still 5,000 "Box 3" day of ballots to count. But I'd be shocked if Lake does better today than yesterday. And almost certainly not 8 points better, which is what Lake needs to catch up.
     
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    Lindsay Graham had said that there was no mathematical way for Laxalt to lose. I'm not sure if he's walked that back or not. The fraud claims don't seem as numerous at least yet, but it may just be that the talking points are still being prepared.
     
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  7. oragator1

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    yeah, reading around Twitter things have turned from hope to anger and excuses. Not surprising to see Fox pick up on it.
    The funny part is that they all hate admitting
    the obvious - Lake literally told MCCain supporters to leave her rally and every election denier in large elections lost. But I’m sure that’s not why she lost, it’s the Dems fault. They cheated.
     
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    Blame the repubs in charge there. O&B thinks Putins Puppet somehow did a round house by pointing out it's the repubs fault. LOL
     
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    Should have a really good idea tonight on Hobbs/Lake.

     
  10. AzCatFan

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    Maricopa has been making announcements in the 6:00 PM local (8:00 PM Eastern) hour. Pima has been coming in a little earlier in the 4:00 PM local hour. If patterns continue, after these two counties drop, Hobbs should still have a lead of around 20k, and the rest of the votes won't be enough to make a difference.
     
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    Yes, Kornacki says it will be in the 8 pm hour tonight.
     
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    Inside Kari Lake’s war room, where Republicans prepare for likely loss
     
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    With the latest dump of votes from Maricopa County Lake closed the gap somewhat but not nearly enough. Extremely unlikey that "Trump in a dress" become the governor of Arizona. Expect a lot of frivolous litigation from her and her supporters. Apparently, Abraham Hamadeh the Trumpian election denier still has a good shot a winning the AG election.

    MSNBC just called it for Hobbs.
     
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