Nikki Haley acknowledges Civil War ‘about slavery’ after facing backlash

In what way did Murph define his existence in the post you are replying to? (Hint: In NO way).

 

But biden syndrome? I mean she described slavery but didnt say the word, yet people are losing their crap over it. I will point out the hypocrisy of voting for a many with a long history of racial gaffes.

As for who I am voting for, it is still Ron, but I can be convinced and find her compelling. I will throw my hat in with any conservative that may have a shot at ending the Trump grip. If the numbers show it's her then I will gladly pull that lever. My main goal in 2024 is to somehow see Trump defeated

 

In fairness she has been crystal clear in using the word "slavery" at other times.
I don't think she is afraid of the word. I think she tried to be politically nuanced which can get you shredded by those just looking for a reason. (not aimed at you Murph).

 

Def afraid.

Such a layup.

You don’t even have to expound.

One word.

Who will demand more “nuance”?

 

Defining my existence by the heritage of my skin?

I am not even a descendant of black American slaves. What heritage am I defining myself by, and if so, how has it harmed me? What exactly are you talking about?

I identify with my African heritage as well as my European heritage. I am a black man born in the USA, but I am not a black American descendant.

 

She knew what she was doing. She was trying to avoid saying the obvious in order to pander to a certain type of voter.

 

My take is she showed her propensity to equivocate for political purposes and didn’t want to offend MAGA voters by bringing up slavery. It’s not an attractive look at all and is consistent with her constantly equivocating position on Trump.

However I don’t think by itself it is a disqualifier. She handled herself pretty well on the whole SCar confederate flag issue and has spoken about experience growing up as a non white, so I have zero reason to think she is racist.

By far bigger concerns for her are her position on abortion and neocon-hawkish leaning foreign policy language.

 

This isn't the first time Haley has done this. And it took a racial massacre and a massive pressure campaign for her to do the right thing on the Confederate flag.
Nikki Haley: video shows Republican candidate saying US states can secede

As for whether Haley is racist or not, how big of a difference is there between personally being racist and being a politician who panders to racists?

 

When Ron was the rage with all the cash and all the momentum, I repeatedly posted that as people got to know him, they would like him less...a lot less. He is now a presidential candidate failure of historical proportions, essentially self-inflicted. Nikki is trying to be all things to all people and that never works. Don't alienate potential voters by IDing the cause of the Civil War? I ask again, who would have been alienated had she simply said "slavery"? The racists were never going to vote for Biden, despite Tilly's laughable attempts to paint him as one. Not all Republicans are racists, but nearly all racists will vote Republican...and with good reason. Nikki would have been fine saying "slavery," but she was willing to risk alienating much larger segments of the population than the fringe of the fringe. In a quick glimpse at what really motivates her, she had a chance to chose the correct answer or the one she thought was the most politically advantageous for her. And we saw what group she believed was most politically advantageous to keep. Just like when she was in the room with those Palmetto Patriots in 2010 being screened for her suitability to be governor by those old, white confederate dinosaurs. She had a chance to tell them their day in the sun was over and to (redacted) off, but instead she came up with "tradition versus change," "Confederate History Month" and let the states secede.

 

We cant know that Murph.
Why isnt Biden being held to the fire by the left for saying much worse? (This is why I keep bringing him up)

You're a really reasonable guy. Am I wrong about this? If so, why?

She is getting killed for not saying a word, meanwhile the left never makes a peep about the actual words (and actions) of Joe Biden.

Certainly some of the more reasonable on the left understand my point?

 

“I mean, I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run. The freedoms and what people could and couldn’t do,” Haley had said Wednesday in a visit to Berlin — the first of five events in the Granite State as she attempts to close the gap with Republican front-runner Donald Trump ahead of next month’s primary.

The former South Carolina governor then asked the voter who had asked her about the Civil War what he thought the cause was, to which the voter responded, “I’m not running for president.”

“I think it always comes down to the role of government and what the rights of the people are,” Haley added. “I will always stand by the fact that I think government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. It was never meant to be all things to all people,” she added.

Where did she "describe slavery" in her answer?

"Freedom" and "what people could and couldn't do" and "the rights of the people" and "securing the rights and freedom of the people" are just general statements that were used by both sides ... i.e., the so-called "state's rights" people claim the Civil War was about having a government that secured their "rights and freedom" and to own black people.

 

She was talking about the rights and freedoms OF black people. And that government had a responsibility to secure that. Nothing in her statement says what some of you want it to say.

Political feet stomping at its best.

Meanwhile Biden tells black people that they arent as diverse as latin people, that they cant be black if they dont chose him, while incarceration rates under his crime bill targeted young black men.

His words dont need speculation. His words are clearly on the record.

 

Where does she say anything about black people in her answer? If she is misquoted or I'm missing part of her quote, please post it.

Other than that, her answer could easily be seen as textbook "the war was about states rights" advocating. That's the point. She, at best, gave a vague answer that seemed intentioned to not offend the Nazi and Racist wing of the Republican party.

I say screw that. Anyone that wants to be president should be able to unequivocally say that the Civil was about slavery, slavery is wrong, and it's a great thing for America that "the South" lost.

 

Going forward candidates should be required to answer whether the Norman Conquest was a positive development for England. Just a clean in or out. No hemming and hawing.

 

I don't see see where she's talking about either slavery or the rights of black people. Not at all. Can you be more specific and point to a sentence or do that does that?

And, again: Biden did not call a black reporter a junkie.

 

The ever futile search for a viable Republican candidate that rejects racism, so that one can self-imagine it isn't baked into the base.

It doesn't matter what they believe personally, it's what they feel they can state publicly. They can be decent people but they are serving an indecent system.

 

What did Biden say that’s worse?

I think it’s hard for many people to see understand just how offensive it is to deny slavery as the reason for the Civil War. It wasn’t over states rights to smoke weed, it was over states rights to own slaves. People say, what’s the big deal if we have confederate statues? What’s the big deal if we had bases named after confederates? They just don’t get it and it’s annoying.

Imagine if someone asked her if the Holocaust was about antisemitism and she said, well it was really about German nationalism. That’s how stupid and offensive it is for someone to say the Civil War was really about states rights. It also insults our intelligence, as if we can’t put two and two together.

Then you have people in here telling me what I feel about my heritage as if they know me personally. They just lump all blacks into one category and assume they know us better than we know ourselves.

 

Then you are planning to vote for a man who does not even believe in free speech. He and the legislature punished Disney for its speech; you can look at his and many GOP legislators' own published words to back up that point. The entire point of the first amendment is that government cannot punish entities for their speech.

Do you believe in free speech specifically, and do you believe in the constitution generally as the protecter of our rights as American citizens? If so, how can you even think about voting for a person, who, by his own words and actions, clearly does not?

 

The point is you are speculating. Nothing about her answer proves any of your assumptions.

And again, she was very vocal about it at the RNC where you guys think it would have been an unpopular position.

 

Yeah. Different topic/thread, but i am on the record here...multiple times...as saying he was dead wrong about Disney.