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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Gatorrick22, Sep 1, 2021.

  1. SeabudGator

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    Thank you for the clarity. The truth derived from the above is that you will vote for Trump even if he incited a civil war or imprisoned all who oppose him as "nothing will change your mind." You will vote for Republicans who abuse children and never vote for any Democrat.

    And I happen to appreciate you and Trump for recognizing that selling out middle America by Dems and Reps in the name of "globalism" to benefit the wealthiest has been wrong. The problem is that while Trump recognized the problem, he did nothing to solve it because he is a benefactor of said globalism. Rather, he just uses it to incite anger. Democrats are not much better (especially Clinton with nafta).

    As for "energy independence" Trump was a buffoon - "bring back coal!" It is economically unviable and there are only 50,000 coal miners in the US. If you really care about energy independence, renewables, nuclear and a bridge of cleaner carbon fuels are the path. Much more democratic than Republican.

    It is really too bad you view the world in such a binary fashion - trump or socialism. Must be a boring, angry, and simple place as opposed to the real world where people have all kinds of ideas. Further, they actually learn and change their mind as time and situations change - education, humility, and progress.

    Finally, if you care about the military, you simply cannot ignore the leadership that has consistently called Trump a threat (hell, they cut Trump out of communications b/c they did not trust him as President). Or, it seems you can ignore it b/c as you say, nothing matters other than your allegiance. Not the joint chiefs, republican security officials calling him a threat. Not anything. Just Trump matters.
     
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  2. gator_lawyer

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    There are more Blue Dog Democrats now than there were 10 years ago.
    Blue Dog Coalition - Wikipedia
     
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  3. channingcrowderhungry

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    One time, I was putting a potato in a pot of boiling water. And I swear it started talking to me. It didn't make any sense with its words. But I swear it was saying them. So I decided to respond. Until I realized, a potato, already inside a cauldron of boiling water, definitely couldn't understand English. And I was wasting my time.

    You guys carry on.
     
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  4. NavyGator93

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    Trump loved throwing money at the military and he ran as a Republican but still lost the military vote, primarily among the officers.
    Do you know how shitty a person you have to be to pull that off? Military voting R is supposed to be a sure thing and trump even killed that.
     
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  5. Gatorrick22

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    He was wrong about coal being clean enough to be viable, but the people, the market tool care of coal.. It's still being used but it's being replaced with far cleaner natural gas...

    All that for coal? The rest of your diatribe just platitudes with a sprinkling of hateful insults.
     
  6. SeabudGator

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    No. Pointing out that by supporting Trump you are supporting a danger to our country according to hundreds of former national security officers is not a platitude... unless you think the security of our country is unimportant. How about you educate yourself about WHY national security officers call trump a threat to our country rather than just denying it?

    As for "a sprinkling of hateful insults", please reread. You said you would never vote for a Dem and defended an accused child rapist and sex trafficker, Matt Gaetz. You said you would vote for Trump no matter what - and that means if he imprisons opponents, he is your guy. I never insulted you, I simply took your statements at face value. IF you find that to be insulting, check your blind devotion to one man and his lieges.
     
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  7. citygator

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    You’re lost.
     
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  8. Gatorrick22

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    C'mon man... Butt hurt Liberals from the military are still liberals.

    Yes, platitudes until you qualify Trump being dangerous to our country... platitudes.
     
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    Trump could flat out insult the parents and family members of his supporters, and some of them would still brush it off and vote for him. Spineless, soulless suckers.
     
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  10. philnotfil

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    Ted Cruz did.
     
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  11. Crusher

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    Maybe I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that the ex-girlfriend and the potential victim were not the same person.
     
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  12. SeabudGator

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    You call people like Tammy duckworth who lost both legs and partial use of an arm serving her country "butt hurt liberals." Like John McCain who served as a pilot in war and suffered torture as a POW.

    I know Trump avoided service claiming bone spurs.... while playing tennis. On brand with Trump sycophants - slander, deny, and above all do not actually read facts!

    Ultimately, slandering war heroes as "butt hurt liberals" is despicable.
     
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  13. philnotfil

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    Not only did McCain suffer torture as a POW, he had the opportunity be released when they found out who he was (and who his father was) and refused the offer unless they released all the other POWs with him. They didn't and he stayed and suffered. And the people who claim to love the troops stood alongside Trump when the draft dodger attacked the war hero. The modern GOP is shameful.
     
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  14. NavyGator93

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    Yeah, Duckworth lost her legs and McCain was imprisoned and tortured, but Rick is living the crazy dangerous life of a keyboard warrior.
    Outside of discos in the 80’s, is there anything more dangerous?
     
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  15. Gatorrick22

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    So, now you want to parse out these people's opinions, these retired and still use them as your reason to call Trump "a danger to our country?" Who are these "national security offers" that you hold in such high esteem? Yes, John McCain was one, but why follow their rods blindly in lieu of your own reason/s?

    You tell me why Trump is a danger to our country.... I want your opinion, not someone else's opinion.

    State your opinion then show us who supports that opinion. But don't be a lemming by jumping on other people's coattails.
     
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    Imagine members of the military sitting there as Trump claims he gave them the first raise they'd gotten in 10 years ... and every single person in the audience knows it's complete bullshit, that they'd been getting raises every year.
     
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  17. SeabudGator

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    EASY.
    - Trump befriended dictators in North Korea and Russia, asking why we cannot be "friends" with a country like Russia that literally paid bounties for killed American troops. His own defense secretary resigned in protest (Mad Dog Mattis). Donald Trump disputes departing Jim Mattis over Russia, China
    - Trump is impetuous and erratic - saying he might want to withdraw/not honor NATO and bragging about the size of his "nuclear button."
    - In fact, at the end of his term Trump was so deranged that he his own defense secretary reached out to countries behind his back to reassure them.
    - Trump attempted to get Ukraine to help investigate his political opponents. 9 times Trump and the people around him have put national security at risk
    - Trump revealed classified information to Russians. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...9_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.76fadc18a39d
    - It is factually undeniable that the Number 1 terrorist killer of Americans are white nationalist groups. Trump has actively cultivated, not condemned, them ("good people on both sides", "stand by", etc.).
    - After the second election in which he lost the popular vote, he actively encouraged a crowd to attack the capital and refused to call out the national guard. 140 officers were injured, one died the next day, a crowd broke into our capital and hunted the Vice President and elected officials, called for their murder. Every court, legislature (whether controlled by democrats or republicans), and electoral body has called his claims of election rigging a lie and sham. Yet, Trump continues to foment sedition, violence and treason.

    The above are not opinions, but facts. Supported by the over 100 Specifically republican officials who agree with me.

    You on the other hand say "Trump supports the military" but can point to NOTHING he did that was different from Obama. Trump's False Military Equipment Claim - FactCheck.org
    Indeed, I believe you will be stunned to learn that defense spending in Obama's first 4 years were higher than under Trump in inflation adjusted dollars.

    In all your responses you have not given one fact in support of Trump... and have rebutted none of mine, but ignore or call them "minutia." Thus, I know that none of the above will matter. Facts are thus irrelevant as you watch shadows in Plato's cave.
     
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  18. SeabudGator

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    So, you ask for specific examples of how trump endangered America, and cannot deny the facts so you put a funny face down. Once again proving the axiom that one should never argue with.... I'll stop there so as not to insult and avoid wasting further time.

    The guy who said he "will never vote for a democrat" and "will vote for trump no matter what" calls others lemmings. You want funny, that's funny. Sad, but funny. Enjoy the shadows!
     
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    Lol... I guess you never took any psychology in high school or college. Pacifying Kim Jun Un is not a crime, it's good for peace...

    Rumors of bounties to kill Americans in war zones is nothing new... uncorroborated and not Trump's fault. Again, you can't let the enemy know what we know about their intentions.

    General Jim Mattis was there to give advice, not to take over the WH and demand his ways become policy. He got fired for good reason.

    Trump knows what Europe and that gang of socialists are really up to. Plus we have far better freedom loving countries in eastern Europe that need are help and are on the front lines against Russia. Trump's "impetuous and erratic" behavior was brilliant psychology to bring out the true intentions of Macron and Merkel.. Trump was pissed off that Germany was not ponying up their 'FAIR SHARE' of defending Europe all while dealing a blow to our natural gas industry by allowing the Russians to build a gas pipeline into Germany and not buying our natural gas. So, we pay for their security and they laugh at us by buying Russia's gas... Trump had every right to shake the NATO tree to it's roots. Brilliant statesmanship by Trump, IMHO.

    Trump's biggest mistake was to first hire RINO Swamp creatures to be his advisors, and second to allow them to voice their conflicting opinions to the press causing conflicting reports... Bad advisors equals bad press... That is a mistake on Trump, but it was not "dangerous" to our nation.

    Trump has/had ever RIGHT to demand an investigation of an American citizen breaking laws in a foreign country. National security is one of the president's number one job and he was completely within his Constitutional powers to investigate a national security threat posed by an American citizen. No Constitutional Laws were broken.

    The President can declassify any document he feels like declassifying. Clinton had the Communist Chinese all over our secret national laboratories all over the county. And we all know he illegally sold classified information for cash and help to his reelection... Google it! Nothing Trump did even came close to that sort of national larceny that Bill Clinton committed.

    Don't even get me started on the Uranium One deal where the Clintons made an estimated $135 million profit on... I'm sure you boys Obama and Biden made some cool change on that deal too.

    FactCheck.org: Lol..I already posted links that easily defrocked that Leftist organization of any kind of credibility as an honest broker of facts.

    Trump denounced the boogeyman that the Leftists are pimping out... He's denounced white nationalists... and he never said to illegally walk into the Capital Building and pose for pictures.

    I can see you nave to view of someone that watches one type of News and treats in like the Gospel. I do my own research in several different media type outlets and I find plenty of conflicting News... The problem with that is most people know what they are looking for to reaffirm their hatred to begin with. So, eve that will know change what you believe to be the truth.

    I simply look at the results on Trump's presidency in the only way that matters to me. Were we safe as a nation... were we wealthier as a nation... were we more employed (historically high employment) as a nation...were Energy Independent as a nation that required NO help from the Middle East despots and their oil...

    The out look with Donald John Trump as our POTUS was, and is, far better than anything we have right now...

    I will vote for him again.
     
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