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New York City and Chicago Response to Immigrants

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by thelouisianagator, Jan 1, 2024.

  1. thelouisianagator

    thelouisianagator Senior

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    New York City and Chicago saying the surge of immigrants is pushing them to the breaking point.
    Surge of Migrants Heading North Has Chicago, New York at ‘Breaking Point’

    And yet New York City and Chicago receive an absolutely fraction (2% or less from my knowledge) of the surge of immigrants that Texas receives. With all due respect to New York City and Chicago, cry me a river. You get a fraction of the pain that Texas receives daily and yet you didn't care because it was Texas. A whole lot of "not in my backyard" mentality.

    And now we have New York City trying to set arrival rules:

    Adams sets arrival rules for buses carrying migrants to New York

    Does Texas get to set arrival rules for immigrants crossing the border? Does Texas now get to say that immigrants can only enter Texas between 8:30 a.m. and Noon Monday through Friday? And no entry at the border into Texas during Holidays either. If New York City gets to do it, why not Texas?

    At this point if I'm Texas I would respond that airline passengers from New York City can only arrive into Texas between 8:30 a.m. and Noon Monday through Friday and that all New York City passengers have to go through the appropriate processing to ensure they aren't illegal immigrants. To make sure New York City isn't trying to put them on planes back to Texas.
     
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  2. duggers_dad

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    Emma Lazarus on the phone to these mayors.
     
  3. thelouisianagator

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    And sure it's tit for tat but that's what the Democrats do. This is where Republicans have traditionally failed. The Democrats have essentially said "screw you, we didn't really mean it when we said we were a sanctuary city, those were just empty words" and shown that once again their words mean nothing. That they were pro immigration as long as it was only Republican states that suffered (and potentially turned Blue due to the immigrants) and it wasn't in their back yard. Now that it's in their back yard they are crying and whining. So how will Gov. Abbott respond? I've already said how I would. Increase the buses, drop them off in Newark with directions and a paid ticket to NYC via mass transit if you have to and implement the same rules for travelers from NYC into Texas that NYC has just implemented for immigrants from Texas. Make it even more painful for NYC.
     
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  4. tampajack1

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    NYC square mileage is about 470. Texas square mileage is about 270,000. No one is suggesting that these people should all be shipped to Dallas.
     
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  5. G8tas

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    Texas is a state compromised of numerous cities and towns. New York and Chicago are cities. Somehow you missed that comparison
     
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  6. ridgetop

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    Just like the fact that most of the illegal immigrants come into Texas in a few isolated places New York and Illinois can now deal with small percentage of the illegal immigrants coming into their state in a isolated area. What’s the difference? Except that both those cities thumped their chest and claimed sanctuary city status.
     
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  7. gatorchamps960608

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    A national election year has arrived. I can only assume the caravans stories are ready to be fired up, too.
     
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  8. ridgetop

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    Yep
    Except Biden and other left sided politicians are now calling it a crisis. They must not have gotten the memo
     
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  9. G8tas

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    They're not here illegally.
     
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  10. slayerxing

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    I’m confused did the op not read the second article?
     
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  11. WarDamnGator

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    Biden should divert federal funding from Texas to whereever they are sending migrants.
     
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  12. ATLGATORFAN

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    I think you are on to something. For years we have been lectured that this is a manufactured crisis and elite economists tell us they are a net positive. So with so many flooding in to Texas and some coming to New York and Illinois those states definitely don’t need as much federal funding. At least that would be intellectually honest and consistent
     
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  13. Trickster

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    Here you are again. Sigh! Who was it that, in 2013, scuttled a BIPARTISAN immigration reform bill? The group laughably called the House "Freedom" Caucus.

    The Republicans should shut their damn sanctimony mouths about immigration reform.
     
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  14. vaxcardinal

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    Immigrants got it good in NYC. I’ve stayed at the Roosevelt Hotel, it’s pretty nice
     
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    Do they get turn down service and mints on the pillows?
     
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    I don't know the numbers today.

    In a class I took (granted, long time ago), I recall the professor pointing out a distinction here: that legal immigrants and illegal immigrants were a net plus to the economy and that refugees/asylum seekers were a net negative. I don't recall if that was only in the short term or not because I would guess that at least by the second and third generations of Cuban-Americans, for example, they have been at least as productive as natural-born Americans. If it's true that asylum seekers/refugees can't get work permits, as many of the posts on here suggest, that might account for some of the differences as well.

    It should be kept in mind, of course, that even assuming refugees are a short-term net negative economically, they're not here illegally, and the conflation of these different groups is part of what makes the debate so nuanced and frustrating.
     
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  17. Tjgators

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    Except they are not false stories. Video is now king and shining a light on how bad this is getting.
     
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  19. gator_lawyer

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    It's also a fundamental misunderstanding of how things work. Migrants enter in border states (because those states are on the border!), but they don't necessarily stay there. They often travel to other states once they've been processed and released, generally to stay with friends/family. So the fact that they're entering Texas doesn't mean they're staying in Texas.
     
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  20. AzCatFan

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    Sanctuary cities also nothing to undocumented immigrants other than a guarantee that local LEO's won't cooperate with ICE when it comes to whether or not a person is legally in the country or not. This policy started in San Francisco back in the late 1970s, and without a sanctuary policy, immigrants are less likely to cooperate with local LEOs. But with sanctuary protection from ICE, local LEOs are better able to do their job, and as a result, sanctuary cities are safer than non-sanctuary cities of similar size.
     
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