New Florida curriculum says slavery had “personal benefits” for slaves

Can you post where DeSantis says it’s racist versus white people? Love to read that. I’m so excited to read it!

 

DeSantis said it had an 'agenda'. What do you think DeSantis thinks the agenda is? Of course you don't have any idea because you haven't read it.

 

All I know is you are “less racist” than some who support it. I don’t support it at all so good luck with that line of thinking sport.

 

by “enslaved persons” are you referring to Blacks, Whites, Asians, Latinos, Jews, Christians, Muslims, Native Americans? I mean there are so many groups that were slaves your question needs some clarity. Your question didn’t limit slavery to the US, just the time period it existed on this continent.

BTW, you make the common mistake to blame the United States for crap that occurred 150 years before the Country ever existed. Facts matter. In 1619 this continent was being overrun by England. Shouldn’t all this nonsense be directed towards King Charles?

 

The most amusing part of all this is that it shows just how much of a fool DeSantis is. He could have distanced himself from this and used Manny Diaz as a sacrificial lamb of this travesty. Instead, he and his team doubled down on it, and they're now fighting with the majority of Black Republicans in Congress (because they offered mild criticisms of it). Just unbelievably dumb.

 

He’s not a fool. He’s just being honest. He is exactly who he says he is, and exactly what you think he is.

 

Local historian Paul Guzzo uses some accounts from the WPA oral histories to show the reality of “useful skills” that DeSantis thinks they should emphasize for “balance”.


Enslaved by Major William T. Brown, according to a woman identified only as “Old Aunt Sarah,” they learned to milk cows and churn butter. The enslaved would then sell the produce door-to-door.

“Liza ... carried the great basket in which were the cans of milk and butter on her head and would walk two miles from where they lived to town in ankle deep sand ... until she went crazy,” Sarah said. “After this happened, the Browns were forced to keep her chained to a tree in the yard.”

They eventually trusted a man named Aman to “cure her” by hitching Liza to a plow that she pulled through a field while being whipped like “a horse or mule,” Sarah said. “The poor creature died from her affliction and this horrible treatment.”




Matriarch Fannie Parish’s slave-era work was of no financial benefit after emancipation. She had been a “breeder,” said the son, a woman expected to be “a bearer of strong children who could bring high prices at the slave markets.”




‘Life lessons’ from slavery came at awful price
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Never back down. His white supporters believe they have suffered enough rhetorically. 2015-16 loosed this demonic attitude

 

Trying to be cute? You know that the term "enslaved persons" as used in my post refers specifically to persons of African decent held under the system of perpetual chattel slavery in the United States (including the British colonies that became the United States prior to independence) until they were emancipated in 1865 (the Emancipation Proclamation was primarily symbolic).

 

so your sticking with the idiotic assertion that slavery in the United States started 150 years before the United States was created. Do you by any chance own ocean front property in Oklahoma?

 

“Your” a true outlier on these boards. Exceptional. Special. Unlike any other.

Slavery can be reliably traced back to 1619 Jamestown.

Never mind the fact that it was a worldwide phenomenon before 1619. Bible reader? Bible doubter? Doesn’t matter, slavery has you covered either way! Moses super miffed you forgot his big moment. USA? No need! We were late to the game!

This is a silly argument anyway. Let’s just let you have your way and slavery didn’t exist until GW signed it into law in 1789. Or it was enshrined as a right in 1776. Pick the year and the event.

So?

 

ooh, a typo queen. You must wear silk panties.

Slavery can be reliable traced back 3500 BC. This is why it is sooooo important to turn the page on a book you are reading and don’t just stare at the pop-ups. (Bonus- find the hidden typo in this paragraph).

so saying slavery can be traced back to 1619 is akin to saying hunting can be traced back to 1619. While both may be true statements, they are both factually meaningless because they lack any context.

On this subject, it would be categorically false to say or suggest that slavery in the United States can be traced back to 1619. First, the United States did not exist in 1619. Second, slavery already existed on this continent which would become the United States when the Portuguese sold 20 Africans, who were likely captured by their fellow Africans, later recaptured by pirates and then eventually sold to the British living in Jamestown in 1619 as indentured servants.

Not a single U.S. citizen (American) was involved in this transaction.

You can own your own hate. You can own your own delusions. You can own your own ignorance.

BUT YOU DO NOT GET TO OWN YOUR OWN FACTS.

 

This is what I believe the Florida scholars who put the curriculum together meant by "personal benefits". Still should probably change the wording or delete in my view, but this is a prime example of what they are trying to say.

Robert Smalls (U.S. National Park Service).

By the outbreak of the Civil War in 1861, Robert Smalls was an enslaved crewmember on a ship called the Planter, operating in the Charleston Harbor. The owners of the ship contracted the vessel out to the Confederate army as a transport ship, and Smalls found himself as a pilot on board the ship. In early 1862, the Confederacy had achieved numerous battlefield victories, and it seemed as if the quest to create an independent slaveholders’ republic might succeed. Robert Smalls decided not to wait and find out. He devised a plan to free not only himself, but his family as well.

On the night of May 12, 1862, the white crewmembers of the Planter went ashore in Charleston, leaving Smalls and the enslaved crewmembers unattended. Around 3 am, Smalls and his fellow freedom seekers fired up the ship’s boilers and sailed to a wharf to pick up their waiting family members. From there, the sixteen enslaved people passed the Confederate forces at Fort Sumter and Fort Moultrie. Being a pilot, Smalls knew the proper signals to give, and even donned a captain’s hat to help disguise his identity as they steamed past the unsuspecting rebels. Smalls sailed the group out to the naval blockade squadron and turned the Planter over to the United States Navy. Robert Smalls and his family were free.

In addition to turning the Planter over to the United States Navy, Robert Smalls provided valuable intelligence on Confederate operations around Charleston Harbor. Using his vast knowledge of the waters there, Smalls served as a pilot on a number of naval vessels operating in action against Confederate forces there, including the Keokuk, an ironclad which was sunk by enemy fire in April 1863, injuring Smalls in the process.

He was eventually promoted to captain and given command of the Planter. In 1864, Smalls took the Planter to Philadelphia to be overhauled and re-outfitted, and it saw service throughout the Civil War.

 

Great thread from Nikole Hannah-Jones highlighting the difference between how the FL DOE framed the Holocaust and slavery. The summary is that they didn't try to both sides the Holocaust, disclaim the systemic nature of it, hide who the bad guys were, or talk about the personal benefits the Jews received from forced labor.

 

Judd Legum, with help, goes into the background of “scholars” William Allen and Frances Presley Rice, among others. These are some twisted humans



Meet the "scholars" who created Florida's new Black history curriculum

 

Accurate but also obvious. As she states, accurately, gaslighting, an attempt to give the proudly ignorant and racist, a/k/a DeSantis supporters, supposed “facts” to support their evil worldview.

 

Geez. What horrifically written educational standards from FLDOE. Just brazen gaslighting. A well laid out argument in the app formerly known as twitter.

 

I wouldn’t mind seeing the Republicans soundly defeated, in 2024, and consigned to the wilderness …
GOP's Anti-DeSantis Curriculum Attacks Are A Gift To The Left

 

Not surprising at all to learn about the background of the two workgroup members who reportedly were the biggest proponents of the standards. I mentioned the composition of the workgroup, including how existing members were not included in the process. From the piece:

In 1994, Florida created an African American History Task Force, but the group went dormant under DeSantis. Despite “state law providing for [the group’s] input,” members of the group said they “had little say in the development of the new standards.” After the new curriculum was created earlier this year, DeSantis began loading the task force with partisan members. Since May, “six of the nine voting members on the African American history task force were appointed by the Commissioner of Education.” In June, the group’s vice chair, Dr. Samuel Wright, resigned “in protest of what he saw as a political coup.”

According to WOKV, “[f]ive of the six new appointees are either directly affiliated with the Republican Party or have previously been appointed to positions” by DeSantis. The sixth new appointee is Florida State Representative Kimberly Daniels (D). Daniels has advocated that “In God We Trust” signs be “placed in public schools in response to a school shooting,” “ranted against witches,” and “claimed to cure someone’s cancer with a CD of Bible verses.”

 

I think Florida should offer the AP AA course.
However, like all AP classes, it should not be mandatory and if only 5 kids sign up for it then it shouldn't be offered that semester. Should have the same number of students in it as other AP classes.