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New Florida curriculum says slavery had “personal benefits” for slaves

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by GatorNorth, Jul 20, 2023.

  1. Woollybooger

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    No one is teaching slavery, just history as it pertains to black people, shouldn’t that include all black people? Just because you interpret it differently doesn’t make it less true.
     
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  2. mdgator05

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    It does take a pretty substantial amount of chutzpah to discuss how slavery had the benefit of these marketable skills when the institution was designed to limit slaves' marketable skills to only things useful to slaves, and, when they were granted freedom after the Civil War, they were then limited in what jobs that they could do by the same folks that formerly enslaved them.
     
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  3. Woollybooger

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    Calling yourself conservative doesn’t always mean you are, right?
     
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  4. dangolegators

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    LOL. It don't take a PhD to know that this is a really bad idea. All it takes is some common decency and some common sense. And it doesn't even take much of that. But since you're so eager to defer to highly educated bureaucrats, I'm sure you agree with everything Anthony Fauci said and did.
     
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  5. gatordavisl

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    According to your simple and singular criterion, the following should qualify as educational content in middle schools:
    • Some serial killers make great lovers.
    • Genocide in some nations reduced disease and famine.
    • Japanese history (in Japanese schools): How the bombs saved so many other lives
    • Native American Genocide: Ohh, those wonderful casinos!
    • Nanjin massacre: Some really smart Japanese/Chinese babies were made!
     
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  6. mdgator05

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    The fact that the authors couldn't even produce a factually accurate (or even close to factually accurate) list of examples does make it less true. The reason that they couldn't is because of the context that they left out, such as that it was illegal to teach your slaves to read so that they were less able to develop marketable skills and would be more dependent on their masters.
     
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  7. gatordavisl

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    Not a SJW so get out of here with the labeling. Can you articulate a rationale for extolling the positive teaching moments of slavery in the U.S.?
     
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  8. Woollybooger

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    Wow, you can always tell when someone is losing in an argument, so throwing Fauci in just proves the point. Nice slide but I still call “out”.
     
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  9. Woollybooger

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    Did you actually read that or just make up? Personally I take the authors knowledge over yours, just sayin....
     
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  10. dangolegators

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    Yeah I'm sure you're a big fan of highly educated government bureaucrats too. They can do no wrong and should not be questioned.

    DeSantis loves quacks who will do his bidding and spread the misinformation that he wants people to believe. Joseph Ladapo is exhibit A.
     
  11. gatordavisl

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    Heh? The state standards specifically reference slavery. It's a state mandate that slavery is taught. I linked the standards in an earlier response to you.
     
  12. dangolegators

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    I wonder if the curriculum mentions that it was illegal to teach slaves to read. That's a marketable skill.
     
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  13. mdgator05

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    Okay, here is the statement:



    Let's start with the first name on the list: Ned Cobb. The authors claim that he was a blacksmith that developed his skills in slavery. Reality says that he was born in 1885, approximately 20 years after slavery was ended, and that he wasn't a blacksmith but rather a sharecropper.

    Ned Cobb - Wikipedia

    Would you like me to move to the second name on the list?
     
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  14. gatordavisl

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    You've made multiple claims in this thread while acknowledging the fact that you haven't read the thread, haven't read the standards, and don't know about the false claims extolled by the authors of the standards. Cliff's notes - the poster you quoted did not make it up. There are several factual flaws.
     
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  15. dangolegators

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    To answer my own question, I just did a search on the 200+ page curriculum for the word 'read'. It does not appear in the context of slavery (or anywhere else for that matter). The only place it appears is as part of other words like 'already'. So no, the curriculum does not mention that it was illegal to teach slaves how to read. I guess that's a 'truth' that the curriculum left out.
     
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  16. gator_lawyer

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    For any of you who thought Racist Ron and his buffoonish lackeys might reassess this decision, I have news for you. They've decided to double down:
     
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  17. mutz87

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    Terrific take!

    Gets to the heart of it. I am not one who thinks that the standard is factually untrue--there were slaves that learned skills. But the problem is clearly in the way it gives a false sense of a positive side effect of slavery when the institution was a complete moral & inhumane abomination. It's sad, tragic even, that it is an African American scholar who attempted to provide credibility to this idea.
     
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  18. UFLawyer

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    You're duck, dodge weaving again. My single criteria is truth. You guys keep adding crap to the pot. We can get to your beef, but we 1st need to know what exactly the debate is about. Is it true or not. In your example, 1 and 2 are stupid because they are not factual. 3 is true. 4 and 5 are gibberish.

    Now your turn. Is what I posited true...yes or no?
     
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  19. UFLawyer

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    Your question is flawed. It should be "Can you articulate a rationale for extolling the true, but painful, teaching moments of slavery in the U.S.?" You are using the word the "positive", not the Florida. Dropping the bomb on Hiroshima was horrible, but was a positive for a multitude of reasons. They are not mutual exclusive.
     
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  20. UFLawyer

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    Did the death Dr have a PhD? In what, douchebaggery?
     
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